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1 | Evangelicals and Catholics | Rom 3:28 | Brian.g | 12460 | ||
By the time that Peter assumed the leadership role of the Church, he was a Christian. There is no mandate that the leader of the Catholic church be Jewish. |
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2 | Evangelicals and Catholics | Rom 3:28 | Makarios | 12481 | ||
Brian, you did not begin to address my questions. 1) Why wasn't there any other popes who were Jewish? Why wasn't Peter's immediate successor Jewish? In the alleged 2,000 year history of the papacy, why isn't there another Jewish pope? If there is nothing to be found that can explain that there were no other Jewish popes, then this is "conclusive" to me that the idea of the papacy not only did not originate in Jerusalem but originated much later and by Gentiles. Therefore, the true lineage of popes starts somewhere else (other than Peter) and you have a leader and authority given to that leader by man instead of by God Himself. 2) Also, why didn't the papacy remain as leader of the church of Jerusalem? If Peter held the office of the 'apostle to the Jews' as you claim and if he was the leader of the church in Jerusalem, then why didn't any other pope in history assume these titles or responsibilites also, since they would come with the acceptance of Peter's title? Again, if you cannot find any reasonable explanation here, then this helps to reveal the truth as to how the papacy really began. It did not start with Jesus and Peter in Matthew 16:18. If it did, then we would see a clear line of succession here, but history has proven that we, in fact, do not. This is enough to disprove the truthfulness to the Catholic lineage to Peter and enough to prove to me that God has not directly given the pope any more authority then that which is given to every single believer. So my conclusion is that the Catholics alleged claim of a "leadership lineage" to Peter is flawed, not proven as "truthful" in light of history and is not supported in Scripture or by the early church. --Nolan |
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3 | Evangelicals and Catholics | Rom 3:28 | Brian.g | 12721 | ||
Nolan Have you ever heard a parent say to their arguing child: "I'm right, because I'm your father(mother) and I said I'm right, now quit arguing." In any form of government, we need a leader and that leader needs to be able to make a final decision and then everyone can move forward from that point. Just as the parent above, there is a time for discussion and debate, which the Church allows, and then the time comes in which a final decision needs to be made, so the familly can function as one, instead of living in the seperation created by constant arguing and challenging of each other. Someone in a family must be a leader and the other members of the family must accept that person. The acceptance of that person as the leader may be called by some, as submission. Other may call it trust in the leader of the family. Some may accept that persons leadership out fo humility and some may accept that persons leadership and decisions on the basis that they know the leader is only concerned about making the right decision for the good of the family. The Pope is the leader of a Church. The Pope is a man. The Pope is not God. The Pope is a man. When making a decision, we are hopeful that the Pope is seeking guidance from the Holy Spirit, in the same way a congregation is hoping that their Pastor is seeking guidance from the Holy Spirit. In this forum, there has been discussion regarding the responsibility a Bible class teacher has to his/her students. If the teacher is not teaching God's law properly, the teacher is doing a grave injustice to the student, who is relying on this knowledge and guidance to properly serve God. The role of the Church is to insure proper understanding of God's law in order to properly educate its members. Look at all of the different Churches which have been formed by people leaving the Catholic Church and think of all of the time and energy spent fighting the Church as the enemy. The Church is not the enemy, Satan is. Focus your hatred and distaste towards the true enemy and unite with those who are fighting the same enemy as you. Satan is successful in dividing the House of Jesus among itself and keeping everyone's attention on infighting, rather than on him. I realize that the members of this forum are dedicated and commited to God. Would we not have done a better job of serving God if we had taken the 100-200 man hours spent here debating Papal infallibility and instead, spent this time serving God, by reaching out to our fellow man to fight Satan. Aren't we falling into Satans trap of dividing our house to fight to other, instead of fighting Satan. Luke 11: 17-18 17: Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them: "Any kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and a house divided against itself will fall. 18: If Satan is divided against himself, how can his kingdom stand? Today, we are seeing the birth of a new sin - probably the greatest sin ever tempting man - taking the life of an unborn baby and selling it for a profit to prolong the life of another. Will you join this Catholic in fighting Satan on this sin rather than debating each other on who is the better Christian. Can we unite our house of Christianity to serve God? Is anybody up for a really good fight? - Let me know. |
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