Results 1 - 3 of 3
|
|
|||||
Results from: Answered Bible Questions, Answers, Unanswered Bible Questions, Notes Ordered by Verse | ||||||
Results | Verse | Author | ID# | |||
1 | cut off | Rom 11:22 | zach† | 34320 | ||
Cur†; to answer your question: "The question is... does the warning apply to only people groups, or also to individual salvation." The following scripture initially comes to mind. Gal. 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. So from that text, I think is possible to say that leaven (which usually refers to sin) can begin in an individual and then spread corperately, through the body. But more importantly in John 15:2 which reads: John 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. branch in this verse is treated as being singular. The termnology used for branch in this verse is "it' not they or them, etc. One last thought I have concerns some text in Rev. concerning the 7 churches of Asia. Rev. 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. In the church of Sardis their were only a FEW which had not been defiled and had soiled their garments. Few can mean a remnant I believe. So although not all in Sardis were defiled, the majority were. In Christ zach† |
||||||
2 | cut off | Rom 11:22 | Curtnsally | 34326 | ||
Zach Just so I am clear... are you saying that this reading means one can be saved and then lose salvation individually? If so, how do you view the following: Matthew 10 28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. John 10 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. Blessings Cur† |
||||||
3 | cut off | Rom 11:22 | zach† | 34334 | ||
Cur†; Matthew 10 is Jesus instructions to his disciples to prepare them. Mt 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Mt 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; 18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. Jesus was telling his disciples about persecution, not whether they would or would not lose salvation. This text does not deal with whether or not salvation can be lost. 28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the (physical body, not spiritual) body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. This text In the next text you posted from John; John 10 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. Didn't Jesus say that no man can pluck us out of His hand? Yes He did. And in the preceding verse Jesus indentified those who are held securely in His hand. "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they FOLLOW me;The ones who cannot be plucked out of Christ's hand are the sheep who hear His voice and follow Him. They are obedient to His teaching. if ye turn away, and forsake my ... commandments, ... Then will I pluck them up ... and ... cast (them) out of my sight (2 Chr. 7:19-20) The protection is from enemies without who seek to carry off the sheep, but not from unfaithfulness of the sheep who might choose not to follow any longer. This safety is only from forces outside the believer and God Himself. A backslider removes himself from the promises of safety and security. He is not removed against his own will. John 10:29 is a great promise that no man can pluck believers out of their Father's hand. That is what it teaches. It does not teach that you cannot, as a believer, walk out of His hands. It simply teaches that man cannot take you out of God's hands, but it does not talk about your own ability to choose to leave His hands. In Christ zach† |
||||||