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1 | cut off | Rom 11:22 | Robert Nicholson | 33287 | ||
Brother Zach: To suggest that we can lose our salvation goes against the promise of the Lord Jesus "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16 Your reference to Romans 11 21- 22: This chapter is discussing how that Israel because of unbelief had been set aside and that God has turned to the Gentiles by his grace. This is in a national sense. In this chapter it is made clear that individuals from all nations by faith can be saved. Romans 8:23. His warning to the Gentiles as a whole is " do not be puffed up in pride, you have nothing to boast of, it is the grace of God that in his sovereign mercy cut of the tame branches (Israel) that we the Gentiles the ( Wild branches) could be grafted in. I believe that God is speaking to Jews nationally and Gentiles as a group. The great mystery which was hid from the prophets was that the Gentiles who were outside of the promises of God, would be brought into God's favor by faith in Jesus Christ. In v. 23 makes it clear that individual Jews as well if Gentiles can be faith as individuals be grafted in. In this time or dispensation of God's grace the invitation to salavtion is to the "Whosoever will" regardless of race or creed. Thank God his promise takes me in. Lose our salvation???? John 15 is talking about abiding in him. In John 15:6-10 the word IF can be also translated "Since". Since I am in him and his is the one that keeps me safe in his hand, I can never lose my soul. I do not believe that the scripture supports salvation which is dependent upon works. Works is the fruit which results from knowing the Lord Jesus and the external proof that we have salvation through him. I am aware that there are those who disagree with this truth. The Lord Jesus made many positive statements which assures us that upon receiving or trusting him "we have eternal life". Eternal cannot be defined as temporary life. This is the wonderful thing of the Gift of God through Christ, that to us it is unmerited and yet by his grace he offers to us the forgiveness of sins and personal relationship as sons through faith in him. Praise his precious name. Robert |
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2 | cut off | Rom 11:22 | zach† | 33934 | ||
Robert; you stated: "To suggest that we can lose our salvation goes against the promise of the Lord Jesus "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16 " To believe is a continual act, and is active, not passive. Also the word believe is a verb, which denotes continual maintenance. In Christ zach |
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3 | cut off | Rom 11:22 | Robert Nicholson | 34030 | ||
Zach: Would you agree that; When we trust Christ or accept Christ as our redeemer and savior by faith, we are saved by his grace alone. We are changed from within by the Holy Spirit of God. However, he also saves us daily as we walk for him, again by his Spirit and through his word he will give us the power to overcome the world. When we sin, we have an advocate with the father, Jesus Christ the righteous. The third aspect of salvation is our salvation from the old world all together at his coming 1 Thess. 4. a) Saved from the penaly of our sin, forgiven because of his precious blood. b) Saved from the power of Sin by the Holy Spirit c) Saved from the presence of Sin when he calls us to be with himself. The context of Romans 11 teaches us that Nationally, Israel has been set aside and yet we find in v25-27 that Israel will be restored back to God nationally "when the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. V.13-24 Paul is warning the Gentiles that the grace of God which has been given them is not to be taken for granted. It was because of unbelief the natural branches (Israel nationally) were cut off. He reminds the Gentiles that God's blessing comes to them by faith and they in fact have nothing to boast and indeed if the Gentiles fail to continue in his goodness, they will also be cut off. Nevertheless, God is still saving individuals from all nations who come to Christ by faith. IN Christ Robert |
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4 | cut off | Rom 11:22 | zach† | 34300 | ||
Robert; Thank you for you response. I agree with your statements and just want to add to what you stated so well, that you may be able to understand my thoughts on this. You stated; "he saves us daily as we walk with Him" I say amen Jerry Bridges in his wonderful book made the following comment. "God has made it posible for us to walk in holiness. But He has given us the responsibility of doing the walking." Scripture says: Gal. 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, LET US ALSO WALK IN THE SPIRIT. Concerning the three-fold aspect of salvation which you touched upon I also agree, just my wording is a bit different as you will see as I now post it. Salvation is in 3 tenses. Justification (We have been saved - past tense) from the penalty of sin. Sanctification (We are being saved - present tense) from the power of sin. (and to get into another discussion of positional and on-going sanctification is a whole other topic that I won't go into detail about at this time Glorification (We yet shall be saved - future tense) from the presence of sin. In Christ zach† |
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