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1 | when a I saved and when baptised | Rom 10:9 | Aspiring Overseer | 189598 | ||
Steve, Scripture is very clear on the mater that Christianity is simply not a "something for nothing" religion as is so often erroneously asserted. The natural man does indeed revise God's Word to agree with their desire to have no responsibility for their own actions. Thus the constant refrain of half-truths train and sustain a population who may have a great zeal for God, but not in accordance with the truth. They seek the easy road, stubbornly refusing to acknowledge their own God-given ability to chose between good and evil, they unwittingly proclaim themselves to be helpless souls, waiting for a "revelation" from God that they manufacture in their own minds, allowing themselves the "free pass" they crave from their daily deeds. The requirement of baptism for salvation has been contested since the later half of the first century, but Scripture is indeed clear on its necessity. Acts 2:38 38And Peter said to them, "Repent, and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. NAS They chose to repent and be baptized in order to receive the Holy Spirit. Acts 8:36 36And as they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch said, "Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?" NAS He excitedly chose to be baptized as soon as it was physically possible. Acts 16:32-34 33And he took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household. NAS They were immediately baptized. Why not wait until the rest of their friends and family could witness the event? Because they were acting on their faith that the words presented to them were the command of God. John 14:15 15 "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. NAS 1 Peter 3:21-22 21 And corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-- not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience-- through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him. NAS Baptism now saves you by being the final step to the grace offered through the blood of Christ. God could not make it any clearer, “Baptism now saves you”. How? Not in itself, but through the individual’s obedience to the command of God, allowing that person to finally have a clear conscience before the Lord. Agree or disagree, each of us must make our own decision. Best regards, AO |
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2 | when a I saved and when baptised | Rom 10:9 | humbledbyhisgrace | 189607 | ||
AO, This is indicative of one arguing a belief rooted in the teaching of man and not scripture! I will leave the unfounded accusation for you to deal with. That's between you and God and not much I can do there to help you with. I will reference once again a passage of scripture for you and others to compare your opening teachings with scripture (Ephesians 2:8-9). You said "The requirement of baptism for salvation has been contested since the later half of the first century, but Scripture is indeed clear on its necessity." I agree. The problem is not that it's required, but when it is said it's required for salvation! Go back and read my first post in this thread. You will see I agree 100 percent that it is required. Required because it is a commandment from God. But it is not required for salvation! Salvation is a gift given to you before you are baptized and I have pointed out to you scripture that clearly teaches this! If Acts 2:38 is interpreted as you interpret it, then we must reject other scripture. For example, what do you do with the following scriptures if your interpretation of Acts 2:38 is correct (John 3:16, Romans 4:1-17, Romans 11:6, Galatians 3:8-9, Ephesians 2:8-9, etc...)? You say in reference to Acts 2:38 "They chose to repent and be baptized in order to receive the Holy Spirit." Yes they did! But does this mean what you claim it means? I say no and again, I offer from scripture the argument that you are teaching this scripture wrong. Acts 10:44-48 (NASB) 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. 45 All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered, 47 "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?" 48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days. Romans 8:9 says that if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. Romans 8:9 (NASB) 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. Now, go back and note in Acts 10:44-46 that the Gentiles had received the Holy Spirit. This was before they were baptized! In reference to Acts 8:36 you say " He excitedly chose to be baptized as soon as it was physically possible." Agreed! I excitedly chose to be baptized as soon as I could also after I was saved. But please tell me how this verse validates your teaching? In reference to Acts 16:32-34 you say " They were immediately baptized. Why not wait until the rest of their friends and family could witness the event? Because they were acting on their faith that the words presented to them were the command of God." Again, does this prove your claim one must be baptized to be saved? Of course not, interesting how you left out Acts 16:31 which clearly says, Acts 16:31 (NASB) They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." In reference to John 14:15 - I'm assuming your are trying to use this verse to argue salvation requires baptism??? Please explain! In reference to what you say about 1 Peter 3:21 Brother, I truly do not mean to be argumentative and I hope it is understood between you and I that we are brothers in Christ. But it is of utmost importance that we exalt the truth found in God's word. In context of this scripture and in context of the whole counsel of God's word this is a sad interpretation of this passage. I urge you to stand on the teaching found in scripture and not that taught to you by mankind! For your edification, an easy way to discern if you are fallowing the teachings of man is to gauge it by how far from scripture you are! Just my opinion! If it were true as you teach it " Baptism now saves you by being the final step to the grace offered through the blood of Christ. God could not make it any clearer, “Baptism now saves you” Then tell me what we do with a multitude of scripture that your teaching clearly contradicts? You are building a doctrine on one portion of a single scripture. How is it you can miss in the very same verse what is said ("not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience through the resurrection of Jesus Christ ..." How do you answer the scriptures I have already pointed out to you that clearly teach us the Gentiles in Acts 44-48 had received the Holy Spirit before they had been baptized? Your brother in Christ, Steve |
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3 | when a I saved and when baptised | Rom 10:9 | BradK | 189614 | ||
Hi Steve, Your points are well-founded! Another observation is that of the apostle Paul. For him to pen roughly one-half the NT and yet neglect to point out or stress the necessity of Water Baptism for salvation, just does not logically follow. For instance, one of his clearest teachings on the "Gospel" is that found in 1 Cor. 15:1-4: "Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,..." If water baptism was (and is) a requirement for one's salvation, then Paul was neglectful in not mentioning it. I hardly believe the Holy Spirit-inspired scriptures would allow for such an oversight:-) I'm more convinced than ever that man is always want to "do" something for his salvation instead of resting in and accepting the completed work of Christ (Col.2:10) Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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4 | when a I saved and when baptised | Rom 10:9 | humbledbyhisgrace | 189620 | ||
Brad, Yes! 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 is a profound passage! Amen! And those that fallow as well as they testify to the eye witnesses of our risen Saviour!!! And what do you make of this? Could we say Paul didn't make a practice of baptizing? 1 Corinthians 1:14-17 (NASB) 1:14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 1:15 so that no one would say you were baptized in my name. 1:16 Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other. 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void. And I agree with you regarding mankind! It is also an interesting thing to study what scripture teaches us about our corrupted nature and look at what we see from mankind, including ourselves of course! Just my opinion, but understanding the grace of God and our corrupted nature and seeing how mankind struggles so with a nature drawn to sin goes a long way in learning to hate sin. At least it does for me! Steve |
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