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1 | when a I saved and when baptised | Rom 10:9 | humbledbyhisgrace | 189535 | ||
AO, It is an interesting doctrine indeed and when scripture is so clear on the matter I struggle to understand why some still push salvation by works. Perhaps a good study on the grace of God and the corrupted nature of mankind would help. I would like to ask regarding your statement " It is an interesting doctrine that people are called on to believe and confess God; both actions requiring human effort; yet water baptism is beyond the pale!" Considering scripture such as these 1 Corinthians 2:14 (NASB) But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. And Romans 8:5-8 (NASB) 8:5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 8:6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 8:7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8:8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. What human effort can we claim? Can believers claim it is by their effort that they have believed and confessed Christ as Lord? 1 Corinthians 12:3 (NASB) Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit. It is an interesting doctrine to me that mankind still believes he saves himself and that he is capable of such great works! Especially in light of scripture and simply taking a look around the world at the fruit of sinful mans labors! Ephesians 2:4-9 (NASB) 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 2:5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 2:6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 2:7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 2:9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. Steve |
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2 | when a I saved and when baptised | Rom 10:9 | Aspiring Overseer | 189598 | ||
Steve, Scripture is very clear on the mater that Christianity is simply not a "something for nothing" religion as is so often erroneously asserted. The natural man does indeed revise God's Word to agree with their desire to have no responsibility for their own actions. Thus the constant refrain of half-truths train and sustain a population who may have a great zeal for God, but not in accordance with the truth. They seek the easy road, stubbornly refusing to acknowledge their own God-given ability to chose between good and evil, they unwittingly proclaim themselves to be helpless souls, waiting for a "revelation" from God that they manufacture in their own minds, allowing themselves the "free pass" they crave from their daily deeds. The requirement of baptism for salvation has been contested since the later half of the first century, but Scripture is indeed clear on its necessity. Acts 2:38 38And Peter said to them, "Repent, and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. NAS They chose to repent and be baptized in order to receive the Holy Spirit. Acts 8:36 36And as they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch said, "Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?" NAS He excitedly chose to be baptized as soon as it was physically possible. Acts 16:32-34 33And he took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household. NAS They were immediately baptized. Why not wait until the rest of their friends and family could witness the event? Because they were acting on their faith that the words presented to them were the command of God. John 14:15 15 "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. NAS 1 Peter 3:21-22 21 And corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-- not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience-- through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him. NAS Baptism now saves you by being the final step to the grace offered through the blood of Christ. God could not make it any clearer, “Baptism now saves you”. How? Not in itself, but through the individual’s obedience to the command of God, allowing that person to finally have a clear conscience before the Lord. Agree or disagree, each of us must make our own decision. Best regards, AO |
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3 | when a I saved and when baptised | Rom 10:9 | BradK | 189603 | ||
Dear AspiringOverseer, There are many -such as myself -who would contest the validity of the latter half of your statement that, "Scripture is indeed clear on its necessity." regarding baptismal regeneration. Aside from the handful of proof-texts you provide, nothing of the sort is taught in the entirety of scripture. Rom. 11:6 says "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace." Context is always important. Acts should not be viewed as a doctrinal book teaching how one is saved- it is a Narrative. Similarly, 1 Peter 3:21 is not at all clear as to it's exact meaning- despite the obvious. One should be extremely cautious about developing doctrine from a such a verse. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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4 | when a I saved and when baptised | Rom 10:9 | Aspiring Overseer | 189613 | ||
BradK, Thank you for your feedback. How many times must God cause to be written His commands before they are expected to be followed? If it is more than once, then a person should check themselves to see if they are in the faith. I agree that context is critical and that is why God included Romans 11:1-5 before giving us verse 6 so that we would know that the works which were ineffective were the works of the Law of Moses. This says nothing about excluding work from the Law of Faith. As to 1 Peter 3:21 being difficult to understand, its preceding verse should make abundantly clear that as eight were brought safely through the water, so God's people today are brought safely into the body of Christ through the same element. Best regards, AO |
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5 | when a I saved and when baptised | Rom 10:9 | BradK | 189652 | ||
Dear AO, If you'll note, the one's who "got wet" in the flood perished:-) Noah and his group were dry! Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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6 | when a I saved and when baptised | Rom 10:9 | kalos | 189681 | ||
Brad, Good post. Likewise, Noah and his group were saved (rescued, delivered) OUT OF the water, not BY the water. Grace to you, Kalos |
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