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1 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113746 | ||
Yes, you receive the Spirit and are saved during baptism in water. Repentance and water baptism in his name are your response by faith to the gospel. God does all the work. By grace he forgives you and gives you the Holy Spirit. Water baptism is simply an act of faith whereby you are recieving something from God, not a work to earn something. Col. 2:12 explains in water baptism Christ is spiritually circumcising you. Roman 6:3 shows it is not a ritual but an actual participation in his death, burial and resurrection. | ||||||
2 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | CDBJ | 113770 | ||
You said, “Yes, you receive the Spirit and are saved during baptism in water”. My Bible says, “That there is a specific order for salvation, first the gospel, with no mention of water, then believing in that gospel, no mention of water, then we are sealed with the Spirit, still no mention of water. Why, according to what my Bible says that means I could be saved anyplace in this universe just so long as I had the ability to think and make a decision to believe the gospel about Jesus! Even in the middle of a desert while dying of thrust with no water around. I guess the gospel is good news, as long as I don’t add stuff to it and make it a different gospel. This is how My Bible reads, Ephes. 1:12-13 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, I would suppose that your translation reads as follows from what you are telling me. Ephes. 1:12-13 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first were water baptized in Christ. 13In that ye also trusted, after that ye were water baptized for your salvation: in that water also after that ye were dunked, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, I don’t think so!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Galatians 1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. The real baptisms are dry, of which there are only two, the wet baptism is only a ritual, don’t pervert the gospel by making water baptism a part of God’s salvation plan. Anything that man can do besides thinking and believing in the finished work of God for salvation abrogates the plan of God for that person! God only will receive praise for mans salvation package. Man is only asked by God to think. Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. Friend, if you are truly saved and with that kind of biblical distortion on water baptism, you are saved in spite of water baptism not because of it! Have a nice day, CDBJ |
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3 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113849 | ||
I found it interesting in Eph.1:12-13 the absence of "faith alone" and "repentance". I know trust can be interpreted as faith, but still you seem to be picking and choosing verses to "fit" your doctrine. If one can look at baptism as an act of faith and not a work of the law then the verses that speak of being baptized into Christ make more sense. Saved by Grace through Faith at Baptism. I take all the verses that mention faith, all that mention belief, all that mention repentance, all that mention baptism, and all that contain different combinations of any of those words and find great harmony. God does all the "work", He shows the grace and mercy, He bestows the forgiveness and gives us the Holy Spirit. Our part is simply responding to the message or rejecting it. |
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4 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | Searcher56 | 113859 | ||
arrow1, What is your demonination? | ||||||
5 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113938 | ||
I've always disliked that word denomination. I grew up in a small town, in a Lutheran church, my grandfather was even a minister in another town nearby. After moving to Des Moines, IA. I attended a small nondenominational church. A few years later attended an Assembly of God church where I came forward at an "altar call", a couple of years later began attending an Evangelical Free church where I was baptized by immersion in front of 450 members on a Sunday morning. A couple of years later(being single one gets restless) attended a large Baptist church. A couple years later began attending an International Church of Christ where I was taught "baptism for the forgiveness of sins", and a few years later brings us to the present where I'm back at the Evangelical Free Church on Sundays and on Thursday evenings attend a rather large, rapidly growing, very evangelical Lutheran church. The Thursday service is for singles only(typically draws 300 plus)and has full communion with real bread and "real" wine. During all that I have visited Catholic, Christian Science, Traditional Church of Christ, been to a Benny Hinn crusade, and even studied with Mormons(they will never convert). As you can see I have alot of religious experience so I have a very different perspective on the Bible. One of the most interesting experiences was attending a seminar "Why be Catholic" by Scott Hahn. He was a presbyterian seminarian who studied the Bible so extensively he converted to Catholicism. The most fascinating books of I've read are those by David Bercot, he seems to be an expert on the early church. I've found there is no perfect church. I'm puzzled why there is no mention of an age of accountability or infant baptism, or baptism of children and/or teenagers of Christian parents in the Bible. Baptism for the forgiveness of sins is so crystal clear to me, I'm not sure how people miss that one. It appears so many verses that mention baptism have to be picked apart, disected, third person plural pronouned to death in order to not conflict with "faith alone", a phrase which isn't even in the Bible. My biggest question on that(concerning baptism) is why wasn't any translation ever translated to say what it means in plain Ennglish, crystal clear, no interpretation necessary. I was hoping to hear back from morant61 on my post 113859, tues. 12:16 am. I thought I did a good job on that one. Also would love to find just one Christian writer from the very early church who held the faith alone view. Oh, to answer your question, Christian. |
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6 | Did you know Campbell was not baptized? | Acts 2:38 | Searcher56 | 114326 | ||
Were you aware the founder of the International Church of Christ, Alexander Campbell, NEVER received "baptism for the forgiveness of sins" ... as well as his father, Thomas Campbell. | ||||||
7 | Did you know Campbell was not baptized? | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 114338 | ||
He was the founder of the/a (traditional) church of christ. Kip McKean founded the ICOC. Yes, I have read that. Not sure what that has to do with me though. I do not look up to Campbell or McKean or say Martin Luther for example as some great historical theologian. I do agree with "some" of their ideas on doctrine, etc. | ||||||
8 | Did you know Campbell was not baptized? | Acts 2:38 | Searcher56 | 114372 | ||
My point is since Campbell taught "baptism for the forgiveness of sins" and didn't do it himself, I question anyone who is a member of the CoC or ICoC | ||||||
9 | Did you know Campbell was not baptized? | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 114445 | ||
The gentlemen who wrote the Nicene Creed in 325 AD also believed in "one baptism for the forgiveness of sins" as did all(as far as I can tell) of the early church fathers. One of the best books on this subject is "Will the Real Heretics Please Stand Up" by David Bercot. The sinner's prayer and altar calls are only 200 years old and were unknown prior to that time, which is why I question those beliefs. arrow1 ps I never said I was a member of COC or ICOC. |
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