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1 | An Exegete of Acts 2 | Acts 2:16 | jlhetrick | 159005 | ||
Hi Mark, Thanks for putting this issue into proper, contextual perspective. It's unfortunate that others will pick and choose (not to mention leave out) scripture in order to support their argument; and then send the less learned on a wild goose chase after something that's not there. That is not very good bible study (not to mention bad teaching methods). I have studied this passage in context and heared it taught on several times. I have never had it presented to me in the way that Doc did. I gave considerable time to his post and, like you, couldn't line it up with scripture. I'm not trying to degrade him I just don't understand why he continues to do this post after post. Your post on the other hand was very well laid out and supported with scripture in context. Thanks for that. It is a very dangerous thing to manipulate scripture to make it make your point, especially for those witnessing that are trying to learn. Thanks for taking the time to study and put things in their proper perspective. Jeff |
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2 | An Exegete of Acts 2 | Acts 2:16 | mark d seyler | 159099 | ||
Hi Jeff, Thank you for your kind works and support. I appreciate your interest in determining the correct way to view this passage. For what it's worth, I don't think Doc is just trying to make his point at any cost, I think he is intending to share the conclusions he has honestly arrived at, and honestly believes. I have no criticism of Doc, I simply disagree with him. You and he are both my beloved brothers, and I pray that the defining feature of our interactions with be love, In Christ, Mark |
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3 | An Exegete of Acts 2 | Acts 2:16 | jlhetrick | 159153 | ||
Hi Mark, I appreciate your position with Doc. I am not trying to criticize Doc for the sake of criticisim. I am offended as are others at the way he approaches this forum. As though he is the end all authority on scripture. He belittles others and disregards honest questions people have about his posts. His behavior should be unacceptable on the forum. There can be no honest and otherwise appropriate study and dialogue when one who claims such authority expects others to except it and refuses to address honest questions regarding his statements. We all struggle with pride but it is much more obvious in some. A perfect example is that he did not simply disagree with you as you say you do him. No, he simply refused to honestly debate the disagreement in order to do the best justice to the issue and those looking on. I may be wrong, I didn't check before responding now, but I don't think he even responded to your clear teaching which was, well, impossible to dispute as the word of God always is. Instead he jumped right in with the intentions (I'm sure) of minimizing my responses and "clouding" the issue by redirecting the topic. Really pay attention to his post and I believe it will be clear. Doc is my brother too. And many who read and follow the threads on this forum are our brothers and sisters as well. We can't allow any who might convince themselves that their understanding and conclusions are authoratative, to behave irresponsibly by disregarding the honest efforts of others. Nor should we allow them to declare truth that they are unable or unwilling to support with scripture. It doesn't work that way. Finally, I don't believe that I stated anywhere that Doc was trying to make his point "at any cost". What I do believe is that pride sometimes stands in the way of one ever excepting that he/she may be wrong or from excepting that he/she may not know. And it is possible to share a conclusin that you have come to honestly and honestly believe without attempting to be intellectually offensive. Doc has a lot of knowledge that can possibly be turned to wisdom. I have learned from many of his post. I have also been left very concerned by some too. Sincerely, Jeff |
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4 | An Exegete of Acts 2 | Acts 2:16 | Wild Olive Shoot | 159156 | ||
I’m going to offer my opinion on this whether it is warranted or not. Personally, I disagree with your assessment of Doc and what he offers to the forum and will confidently state there are far many more that would also disagree with you than agree. It’s obvious that Doc has come to his standing and belief based on years of diligently searching Scripture for the truth and has formed his opinions based on those studies. His knowledge and elucidation of what he has learned to others, has proven to be nothing less than helpful in my search for the truth and I’m sure he has been more helpful than not to many more. I say this knowing that I have at times disagreed with Doc on certain subject matter but even so, I would never disregard what he says and would do myself wrong if I did not honestly consider his views. (Just to let you know, in my humble opinion, he has proven worthy and correct time and time again) There are many others using this forum that have known Doc much longer and could state from their experience of how his activity on the forum is helpful. One will find criticism whenever one looks for it. One will also find offense when opinions differ. That’s just life isn’t it? It’s all about the perspective one has when discussing a certain topic. I have found Mark’s post to be as helpful as Doc’s, I just haven’t personally conversed with Mark as often as I would like to. Differing opinions and thorough discussion of a topic is helpful to most forum members, I would assume, as it allows one to research, study and learn and form their own opinion. What kind of world would we live in if we couldn’t form our own opinions and then respectfully share those with others? I guess I’ll leave my two cents at that. I think both Doc and Mark have proven to be nothing less than beneficial to the forum, or at least in my short experience with it. To be honest, I’ve seen harsh criticism on the forum, not siding one way or another as to whether or not it was called for, but Doc’s posts are what I would consider, mild mannered, compared to some. You stated: “What I do believe is that pride sometimes stands in the way of one ever excepting that he/she may be wrong or from excepting that he/she may not know.” Pride will also stand in the way of one accepting another’s personal views that disagree with their own and can even lead to rash and harsh criticism when we feel we have been belittled, when in fact, that may not have been the case. Respectfully, WOS |
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5 | An Exegete of Acts 2 | Acts 2:16 | jlhetrick | 159195 | ||
Hello WOS, Thaks for the post. I won't be long winded here because I wont allow this to turn into a situation of splitting by those who wish to make more of my comments than was intended or plainly stated. Let me just say this. A "battering" is a "battering", whether it's done intellectually or not. I agree that personal views are appropriate and helpful, it's the unsupported declaration of truth that I have a problem with. If you were to research my post (well for one you would be bored) you would see that I too have openly defended Doc when other's didn't agree with his post. But when I did so it was because he was right. He was right because scripture, taken appropriately in context, said he was right. lets let the personal opinions help in our study, lets not let it attempt to add to scripture what is not clearly there. Dangerous. Again, sincere thanks for your post. It is always helpful for me to read how others are reading into what I post. Sincerely, Jeff |
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