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1 | Are we ever "worthy" of God's love? | John 3:16 | Morant61 | 52086 | ||
Greetings John! Which translation are you using of 2 Pet. 3:9 my friend? It seems to add an awfully lot of 'you's' that aren't in the text. The text reads: "The Lord does not delay the promise, as some understand slowness, but He is patient toward you, not wanting any to perish but all to come to repentance." The pronoun 'you' is only used once in this verse. The last phrase uses the indifinite pronoun 'any' and the adjective 'all'. It would not be proper Greek to translate this as "any of you" or "all of you". Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Are we ever "worthy" of God's love? | John 3:16 | Treadway | 52091 | ||
Hello Tim: You said: "The Lord does not delay the promise, as some understand slowness, but He is patient toward you, not wanting any to perish but all to come to repentance." The pronoun 'you' is only used once in this verse. The last phrase uses the indifinite pronoun 'any' and the adjective 'all'. ----------------------------------- Just an observation here, no more, no less: sometimes forgotten is "meaning in context." Or, maybe another way to say: the forest is never seen when we stay among the trees. Another observation: commas, not semi-colons are the separators. KJV: "...but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." Then what is always beneficial is to try and paraphase what is read. Paraphasing can help to stay in context. Just a quick thought...but an interesting conversation, this.... But too busy today to really get involved. Treadway...always good thoughts.... |
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3 | Are we ever "worthy" of God's love? | John 3:16 | Morant61 | 52092 | ||
Greetings Treadway! You already know my view on paraphrasing my friend! Parapharsing can allow us to make a verse same something which it actually doesn't say, by simply adding the words we want to add! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Are we ever "worthy" of God's love? | John 3:16 | Treadway | 52112 | ||
Hello Tim: You repeat: Parapharsing can allow us to make a verse same something which it actually doesn't say, by simply adding the words we want to add! :-) -------------------- I repeat: :) Paraphasing doesn't allow this; the person who knowingly presents a slanted or skewed message is the culprit. If I listen to a sermon, then go home and tell my wife about it, I'm going to paraphase--tell her in a shortened version what I believe I heard. If the summation is incorrect, if the parphrasing is in correct, then the message, interpretation, implication will be incorrect. When a lawyer presents his "summation", he is using a good deal of paraphasing. His intent (hopefully) is to present the testimonies of the witnesses as best he can. Paraphasing is just using another "form" of communication to convey the same message. There is no intent, when paraphasing, to twist the original messages. Quite the opposite. The intent is to focus, sharpen, expedite. After the President's speech, the News Anchor will "sum up", "wrap up", "go over again", "restate", "reiterate" what was just heard. If paraphasing was not a legitimate tool to be used, then we'd be hard put to communicate what we think something "means", what something "may imply". And that means I erred big time when I used to teach the "art", "skill", "methods" of parphasing. Gosh, I hope not. Anyway, good thoughts, as per usual.....Treadway.... And oh, by the way, you might appreciate this: The word "paraphrastic" (from GK paraphrastikos fm paraphrazein) means: explaining or translating more clearly and amply. :) |
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5 | Are we ever "worthy" of God's love? | John 3:16 | John Reformed | 52194 | ||
Dear Treadway, My heart goes out to you. I read your bio and I think I know the the agony and confusion that you are experiencing. I have my own bouts with unbelief. The God of the Bible is an uncompromising God. He does not take into account our sensibilities but presents Himself as He is (whether we like Him or not). I often think of the verse in John's gospel where the crowds are shocked and dismayed at what Jesus tells them. They abandon Him and leave. So do many of His disciples. Jesus turns to the twelve and asks if they are going to depart from Him also, and Peter answers John 6:68,69 "Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life. We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God." In my darkest hours I too am inclined to follow the crowd, but the truth is I cannot. I love Him. Where shall I find another like Jesus? We all put God in the dock from time to time. Why, God did you do this or that? It makes no sense to us. It seems unjust to us. We will have a different God, even if we have to create Him ourselves! Our problem is that we want to be God. John Reformed |
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6 | Are we ever "worthy" of God's love? | John 3:16 | Treadway | 52227 | ||
Hello John: Thanks much for the note of empathy. I may be too far gone, or too far along. In fact, just writing this feels like my last posting. (I said this last week, also, by the way!) :) Good bunch of people, for the most part, but I need, I think, a wider depth site, one that will accomodate the really hard questions. Here is not the place. Plus there's a little too much of the "dueling" verses--reminds me of that old saying: "My daddy can beat up your daddy..." :) And all using the same criteria, the same Books, chapters, and verses! And what is really odd, is that no one seems to recognize that when they declare the other not to have the "truth", is that all believers are basing their own arguments on ancient "paraphased" hearsay, no more, no less. I wrote a position post the other day, in effect, saying that the 2nd Coming will not happen, and tried to coherently connect the dots for its support. Did I succeed? Well, I don't know, since no one really took issue with the thrust of its theme. I found that disappointing. If my position is wrong, I would have expected some strong remedy. None came. What could that mean? Indifference? Denial? Disgust? Incredulity? Made too much sense? Or, maybe it was thought that this notion was just too silly. Or, could be that it was thought that this kind of position really shouldn't be discussed on this kind of site? I think I'm going to accept this last one as bona fide. And that leads me back to this will be the last posting...again, thanks for stopping by.... Treadway, always good thoughts. (And, Hank, Tim, enjoyed you two, especially...but I'm gone. Might see you somewhere else in cyberspace, though. Who can know? Take care. Tread) |
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7 | Are we ever "worthy" of God's love? | John 3:16 | srbaegon | 52228 | ||
Hello Treadway I haven't kept up with your ponderings, but might I suggest Theology_List@YahooGroups.com as a place you might like to try your topic? They get deep. Steve |
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