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1 | Islamic View of Crucifixion? | John 1:4 | Hank | 98454 | ||
What does Islam teach about the crucifixion of Jesus? --Hank | ||||||
2 | Islamic View of Crucifixion? | John 1:4 | Taleb | 98455 | ||
Hank, Muslims are taught in their Quran Surah 4:157, "And for their saying we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, Son of Mary, the messenger of God: they killed him not nor did they crucify him but they thought they did." Muhammad believed it was inconceivable to him that a prophet of God could undergo such a death as crucifixion. Most Muslim scholars teach that it was not Christ on that cross, it was someone who looked at lot like him. They acknowledge that Chrsit died, he is in heaven, and is expected to return shortly before the judgement. Actually, they believe Jesus to be the "word of God" according to their verse Surah 4:171. They are sooooooo close to truth, but also soooooooo far away too. Taleb. |
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3 | Islamic View of Crucifixion? | John 1:4 | flinkywood | 98462 | ||
Taleb, you are correct, Muslims are both very near to and very far from Christ; as near as any heathen can ever be (as I once was), and as far away as this: Sura 9:30 "The Jews call Uzair (Ezra) a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the Son of God. That is a saying from their mouth; In this they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. God's curse be on them: how they are deluded from the truth." (Abdullah Yusuf Ali, translator) The Koran's god (Mohammed) curses believers in Jesus! That'll put some distance on a Muslim. I've also read of a Muslim inscription on the Dome of the Rock which reads, "God forbid that He should have a son." "Sooooo far away" is true, but any nearer than a JW? Colin. |
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4 | Islamic View of Crucifixion? | John 1:4 | Taleb | 98506 | ||
Colin, excuse me, but you too are so close - yet so far away. There ARE numerous places in the Quran which specifically support the fact that Jesus DID die. (Surah 2:87; 3:55; 4:157,158; 19:33; 5:116:117) By recognizing what the Quran DOES say, AND acknowledging the fact that it DOES contradict itself continually, makes it easier to point out those numerous places where it DOES AGREE with Scripture. Like in Surah 19:33-34: “Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive! Such WAS Jesus, son of Mary, (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt.” And as far as "Muhammad curses believers in Jesus" – actually very often the Quran tells its readers to follow the Gospel’s teaching. For example: Surah 5:72 – O people of the Book (these are what he called “believers in Jesus”), ye have no ground to stand on until you observe the Taurat (Old Testament) and the Ingil (Gospels) and that which hath been sent down to you from your Lord”. In Surah 4:49-50 it states in effect, that the Gospels confirm the Old Testament and that those who don’t follow Scriptures are going to be judged by God. (I agree with both of these portions, don't you?) Knowing that Muslims attempt to cancel those verses using the excuse, "The Bible has been corrupted because it doesn’t agree with the Quran”, one can ask when, how, where it was corrupted. Asking them about the Arabs who found the manuscripts (Red Sea Scrolls) that predate the Quran and confirm the Scriptures is a good follow-up. Later, when they "see the light" they quickly and easily understand that it is the Quran that is filled "with errors". But in the mean time ... And I have read those “writings” explaining what the Quran says (when it doesn’t) or doesn’t say (when it really does). Understanding these simple truths help Muslims see the truth for themselves. Asking questions that lead, as Jesus did, makes it important not to merely make a statement "off the cuff". They don’t believe God had need of a son. Yet, they admit that Jesus didn’t have any "earthly" father, and unlike Adam, Jesus did have a mother. They believe Mary, as a virgin, gave birth to Jesus. They believe that Jesus remained perfect and sinless. They believe everyone else, including Muhammad, sinned. They believe that Jesus raised the dead, healed the blind, etc. They acknowledge that Muhammad never did. They believe it is Jesus who is coming back to judge the living and the dead. They believe soooooo much more truth than even some "Christians" do, contary to what the "NEWS" would depict. Colin, have you ever talked with a former Muslim who now follows Christ? Have you ever heard the prayers, seen the excitement or watched the enthusiasm as they share what great things Jesus has done in them, with them and for them? Have you ever read the 99 names or characteristics of God, according to a Muslim. The names themselves gives us 99 “door-openers”. The First. The Last. The King. The Friend. The Physician. The All-Loving. The Lord of Glory and Honor. The Avenger. The Provider. The Merciful. The Forgiver. The Just. The Judge. The Giver of Strength. The Light. The Guide. Acknowledging these attributes as those of my God, gives me an avenue to "talk truth" with them. Using ONLY the Quran, Muslims have understood and believed the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. They, by pointing out those hidden verses in the Quran, understand exactly HOW God can have a Son, offer Him up for a sin offering. That is why I stated what I did about being sooooo close. Yes, Praise His Holy Name – they are fast coming into the knowledge of the truth, just as His precious Word promises they will. Before someone tries to point out all the errors of the Quran - I KNOW! I KNOW! Contrary to Islam being a "peaceful" religion, the Quran is filled with promoting violence (much like the Old Testament). But like us (you and me), MOST Muslims love family, peace, quiet, and their God. Now, BEFORE you became a believer, were you as NEAR to the truth as many Muslims are today, or as far away as some would hope all Muslims should stay forever? Blessings, Taleb |
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5 | Islamic View of Crucifixion? | John 1:4 | flinkywood | 98527 | ||
Taleb, You make a great observation about the disciplined devotion of many Muslims to their god. It's a rare Christian who would pray unashamedly 5 times a day, and with such aparent passion. I've witnesed co-workers in Morocco fall on their knees. Amazing thing to see and be around, really. I have a friend Tass, a former Fatah sniper and soldier for Arafat, now an evangelical Christian, whose onversion story is extraordinary. Tass just returned from evangelizing in Iraq and Egypt, and it's by his example that I've begun to study Mohammedism. You know the Koran better than I do (were you once a Muslim?), but I have also read Islam on-line forums (which make this Forum look tame sometimes) and Christ is a big problem in these. It seems that all agree that Christ did die, but that it was not on the cross, and He was in no way anything close to deity. Regarding the Koranic contradictions surrounding Jesus and His life, Wow, what a mess! As my friend and teacher Hugh Harris once said, "If you think the bible is confusing, try reading the Koran." You sound like a specialist in the area of Muslim witnessing, God bless you if you are, that is one rough row to hoe. As to whether someone is near or far from belief in Jesus, who can know? My leap of faith seemed short at the moment of truth; in hindsight, however, and given my history, it looks like a long shot. Today we studied Romans chapter 4, with a focus on Abraham, the father of our faith, and God's promise to him, so I copy your "His precious Word". But Taleb, is "Their God", the one they pray to, is their god the true God of Abraham? Colin |
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6 | Islamic View of Crucifixion? | John 1:4 | Taleb | 98540 | ||
Colin, thank you for your kind words of encouragement. My "personal profile" will answer your question about whether or not I was ever a Muslim. "Taleb" is Arabic, but.... Your friend and teacher, Hugh Harris, IS correct. The Koran is VERY confusing. Actually, it is so confusing, MOST Muslims never understand it, and therefore they don’t notice its contradictions. I’ve met many Muslims who have memorized it, and they don’t know what it REALLY says. If I may, in an earlier post you mentioned Mohammad as the Muslim’s god. Years ago, I also made such a statement. I was firmly corrected. He isn’t “their god”. Many of the Christians in the U.S.A. misunderstand too much about the Muslims. They see them on TV throwing rocks and blowing themselves up, and erroneously “think” they are all like that. Years ago I attended a Muslim Awareness Seminar, when my wife and I first felt a call to the Middle East. The speaker was a missionary in a strict Muslim country. He shared about how one in five people in the world, (at that time in the early 80”s) were Muslim. One in five of the Muslims were Arabs. An older couple listened to this speaker explaining the “Eastern mentality” and how it differs so drastically from our “Western mentality”. After a number of minutes, this old man raised his hand. “When are you going to tell us about the terrorists?” The speaker asked, “Terrorists? Do you actually believe that all Muslims are terrorists?” The old man nodded and stated, “Well, of course their terrorists, Their Arab Muslims, ain’t they?” The speaker said something which I will never forget. He stated, “White equals Christian equals Ku Klux Klan, right?” “Of course not.” “Than, neither does Arab equal Muslim equal terrorists.” As far as “who they pray to” goes, it is the same the world around. God, Himself, declared, “Call unto ME and I will answer YOU.” When one “calls” unto God, like many Muslims have in their search for HIM – He responds. HE knows their heart, their intent. Remember the two men praying, where one asked for mercy and the other thanked “god” for not making him like the man crying for mercy? God responded to the one, not the other. I would dare to proclaim they were both “Jews”. Colin, I appreciated your comment: “As to whether someone is near or far from belief in Jesus, who can know? My leap of faith seemed short at the moment of truth; in hindsight, however, and given my history, it looks like a long shot.” Great answer to my question. Great! Now when you or I met someone somewhere, we can both take your words to heart. Jesus knows how far or near that person is to Him. Let’s do what we can to draw them even closer. If you please, which forum have you found the Muslims “talking”? I would like to “discuss” our Savior with them too. :) Blessings, Taleb |
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7 | Islamic View of Crucifixion? | John 1:4 | flinkywood | 98680 | ||
Taleb, Your take on the nearness of Christ is rock-solid, well expressed and calls to mind Jesus' encounter with the Samaritan woman at the well. Jesus had always been her Lord, her God, she just never knew. Thanks for reminding me that it's all about introducing Jesus to people like her, just as He was once introduced to me. "When one “calls” unto God, like many Muslims have in their search for HIM – He responds." I sense you speak from experience. Didn't Paul have the perfect answer? 1Co 2:2 "For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified." Also, when you witness to Muslims, is your major tool the Koran itself? Sounds like. Colin. |
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8 | Islamic View of Crucifixion? | John 1:4 | Taleb | 98899 | ||
Colin, that verse in 1 Cor. 2:2 was sort of brought up at staff meeting today. And in Philippians 3, where Paul counted ALL his "accomplishments before meeting Christ" as rubbish. He was a "Jew's Jew" - the top of the chain. Followed the letter of the law to the letter, dot and crossing of every "T". He longed to KNOW Christ by experience - and did. Muslims KNOW that for them to experience Christ is to experience anything from becoming ostracized, to being severely beaten, or killed. Arabs, are people oriented, as opposed to event. Bringing dishonor to one's family is a huge NO-NO. They, like Paul, choose to "count it all rubbish" to know Christ. It's well worth the price! Blessings, Taleb |
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9 | Islamic View of Crucifixion? | John 1:4 | flinkywood | 98917 | ||
Taleb, I've also just read your post to EdB, and I'd forgotten how many risk their skins for this faith in which we stand. I know a man, a Ghanaian, who sells discount bibles over the internet. He and several of his Christian brothers were kidnapped by Muslims in Ghana. For 2 weeks they were beaten, tortured and murdered. This friend spent 3 days in a swimming pool among floating corpses. One of his poolmates was a woman 6 months pregnant. On his last day, they cut off his finger, shot several of his remaining friends dead beside him, then shot him point blank in the forehead--and missed! This started a fight between his almost murderers, which culminated in his being thrown in a car and dumped in a town nearby. I asked him how he withstood this monstrosity, how he didn't break down or lose his marbles. He said, I paraphrase: "It was the Holy Spirit. It wouldn't let me speak. I thought, 'It's wonderful, I'm suffering like my Lord Jesus, what an honor.' All they wanted was for me to say I didn't believe in Jesus. If I had, they would have laughed and let me go." That's a testimony not a lot of us will ever claim, thank God, but bang! does it not hit you in the gut? I have no clue how I'd behave under those conditions if asked to recant my belief. In America we risk so little to believe; what a blessing, but a mixed one to be sure. By the way, my friend's bible site is: http://www.bibledata.com/bags/leather_bag_21.htm The Islamic web forums I mentioned are: http://www.islam-online.net/english/index.shtml http://www.thetruereligion.org/forums.htm And this is a recent string I visited which, coincidentally, discusses a question I'd meant to ask of a Muslim: Why does the god of the Koran so often swear by the moon and stars instead of by himself? http://www.understanding-islam.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID 750 (Note: There is an equals sign between ID 750. Type it in, the forum web rules disallow equals signs). Your posts really hit the spot, Taleb. Colin |
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10 | Islamic View of Crucifixion? | John 1:4 | Taleb | 98953 | ||
Colin, first off thank you for the ‘sites’ and “instructions” that will save me “grief” :). I will check them out in the near future. The testimonies you have shared DO hit hard. You mentioned that you didn’t know how you would react if instructed to recant. I think you will find your answer and assurance in Luke 21:14. Years ago, in a foreign country, a team of us were doing street ministry. The crowd got uncontrollable. Suddenly I found myself surrounded by a gang of thugs. They didn’t speak English, and I could barely speak their language. I was wearing my billfold on a chain. (No. :) I wasn’t a biker). One of the men reached for my money and a few others reached for my arms. From within, the words “1 Peter 3:12” came forth. It was as though I had pulled out a gun. The entire circle raised their hands and backed away. Then they all ran in separate directions. Later, after checking out what 1 Peter 3:12 actually said, I burst out laughing. I couldn’t help it. For sure – take my word for it – those who trust in the Lord are safe – EVEN those whom are martyred. Your question, “Why does the god of the Koran so often swear by the moon and stars instead of by himself? is a great question. I hope I soon have an opportunity to ask it myself. Makes me wonder it that is why Muslim countries like Turkey, Tunisia, Pakistan and so many others have the moon and star(s) on their flag. Interesting. Thank you. Blessings, Taleb |
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11 | Islamic View of Crucifixion? | John 1:4 | flinkywood | 98960 | ||
Taleb, the question of why that particular flag decor is also dealt with on that forum whose URL I gave you. Also, the news of the arrest of several vetted Islamic ministers and laypeople as spies in Guantanamo reveals, I believe, the dormant virulence of this religion, which, like the AIDS virus, incubates for a period before attacking its host. I think that incubation period is shortening in these dark times. Islam is a clear and present danger. How do we attack it? On what fronts and how? I'm seeking a comprehensive battle plan for the hearts and minds of these sleeper cells. Colin. |
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