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1 | When does Scripture apply to us? | John 17:12 | Dalcent | 132522 | ||
Can I ask why it is assumed that say, the passage in the Gospel of John (chapters 13-17) applies to all individual Christians; yet the passage is (mainly) a monologue addressed to the Apostles. What is the exegetical basis for assuming all scriptural teaching can be applied to any individual Christian, viz. has personal application. (Of course, I realize it is all profitable information; i.e. to hear what Jesus told his disciple would happen to them, but similarly it is interesting and informative to read chapter after chapter of the wrong advice given to Job). For example, John 14:26 states that the Holy Spirit will remind the disciples of everything Jesus has taught them verbally. Certainly, it is being said to the disciples in the first instance. John 14:30 'I will not talk with you much longer...' is specifically addressed to the disciples before His death. How do we deal with the whole issue of whether we can legitimately apply a Scripture to us? Contrarily, John 14:12 is addressed to all believers. 13:38 is about Peter and the rooster. If I thought 17:15 applied to me, it would be virtual blasphemy. What are the general principles for applying Scripture to ourselves, if others are being addressed. Regards Dalcent |
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2 | When does Scripture apply to us? | John 17:12 | Mommapbs | 132523 | ||
2 Tim 3:16 - ALL Scripture, not "some" is profitable. With God ALL things are possible. If He chooses to speak to us by a donkey and we fail to heed His voice, who is responsible? Listen to what the Spirit says as you read the Word . . . If you read God's Word and don't expect to hear God speaking individually to you, you won't! For God's Word also says, "As a man thinks within himself, so is he." (Prov 23:7) Frankly, we must choose to listen first! Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. Dalcent, I encourage you to choose to "believe" that God will speak individually to you through His Word, not through His church, but by His Spirit directly to you. How about completing your user profile? Blessings, mommapbs |
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3 | When does Scripture apply to us? | John 17:12 | Dalcent | 132531 | ||
Hi Mommapbs, What about context? Where does the Bible teach certain words, phrases, etc. will "speak to us" regardless of who they are addressing, Judas, Peter, God, satan etc. This is neither orthodox evangelicalism nor Catholic. This reminds me of a Pentecostal who told my wife, who had toothache at the time, she could get a gold filling, if she would "Open your mouth and he will fill it." Nonsense. Allowing scripture to "speak to you" outside the context it was written sounds like too much like the Mormons "burning in the bosom" to me. 'Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God' refers to unbelievers hearing the gospel. This is quoted out of context which was what my whole question is about. What about taking things too literally? Of course all things are not possible with God. Can you fly through the sky by flapping your arms. Can you become a teapot. The Bible is not meant to speak to us like this. We might as well use a donkeys tail with a pin in it. I agree ALL scripture is profitable. Certainly the Word-Faith false teachers find it very "profitable". Dalcent |
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4 | When does Scripture apply to us? | John 17:12 | Mommapbs | 132552 | ||
Dalcent, Perhaps you would like to explore the questions I have recently posted on the Forum from Acts 5. Is there anything you can glean from the reading of this passage apart from it being an account of "what happened and to whom?" To declare that a verse (Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God) is just for unbelievers denies 2 Tim 3:16 which says that ALL Scripture is profitable (Also, let there be no misunderstanding, this word means 'useful'). "He who has ears, let him hear" . . . who was Jesus speaking to here? Does this mean that this verse is written only to those who have ears? THIS is a real "literal" interpretation of that verse! I God wanted me to fly through the air by flapping my arms or if God wanted me to become a teapot, who am I to deny His ability to accomplish His will? Who are you to make such an outrageous claim:"Of course all things are not possible with God"? This statement contradicts what God says about Himself and, imo, is close to blasphemy. Dalcent, I'm not suggesting that we ignore, context, but to preclude God from speaking to us on this basis alone denies His authority - "For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven,And do not return there without watering the earth And making it bear and sprout,And furnishing seed to the sower and bread to the eater; So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty,Without accomplishing what I desire,AnHd without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it. Is 55:10-11 Dalcent, you appear to be trying to limit what God can and cannot do - "The Bible is not meant to speak to us like this. We might as well use a donkeys tail with a pin in it." HOW is the Bible "meant to speak to us?" In your way, in your church's way, in your priest's way, in some counsel's way or perhaps might it be in God's own way? Imo, until you let God out of the box, until you believe that God can speak to you as an individual through any portion of His Word that HE chooses, and until you really desire to hear from Him in whatever manner HE chooses to speak to you,you might as well be without ears . . . Lastly, if context alone determines HOW God can speak to us, we might as well ignore the whole thing, for it was written to dead people. mommapbs |
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