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1 | ... | John 16:28 | ParsonPat | 191399 | ||
In this verse, the Greek word for "Father" is PATHR (see Strong's #G3962). The Greek word for "God" is in John 16:27 and 30 is THEOS. Both words are different in both spelling and definition. With those definitions in mind, who is the apparently mysterious "Father" to whom Jesus referred in this 16:28? |
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2 | ... | John 16:28 | Searcher56 | 191403 | ||
God's day to you, ParsonPat, It is not mysterious. Even you just study the book of John, you'll see the Father (111 times) is God. Searcher | ||||||
3 | ... | John 16:28 | ParsonPat | 191464 | ||
Searcher responded: "Even you just study the book of John, you'll see the Father (111 times) is God." Parson Pat replies: Acknowledged, but I don't to need see the word "Father" (PATHR) repeated another 111 times. I'm trying to possibly identify who that "Father" (PATHR) might be if not "God" (THEOS). IOW, why the difference in both spelling and definition? Do those differences mean anything specific or other than the traditional spin that GOD (theos) equals FATHER (pathr) equals IHSOUS (Jesus)? |
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4 | ... | John 16:28 | Searcher56 | 191469 | ||
God's day to you, ParsonPat, To see '"Father" (PATHR) repeated another 111 times', - go to http://bible.crosswalk.com/ - enter father, select New Testament, check Include Study Tools, press [Find] - Under Lexicons, select pater - father ... you'll see next to John, the number 115 - Select John ... and see how many times Father refers to God, vice an earthly father. I not know about the "traditional spin that GOD (theos) equals FATHER (pathr) equals IHSOUS (Jesus)" ... cite your sources that say there is such a tradition. Searcher |
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5 | ... | John 16:28 | ParsonPat | 191477 | ||
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6 | ... | John 16:28 | srbaegon | 191480 | ||
Hello PastorPat, One of the things from which the Trinitarian formula/Nicene Creed is derived is the fact that Jesus calls God (theos) his father (pathr). Were you also looking for extra-biblical Ante-Nicene attestation? Steve |
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7 | ... | John 16:28 | ParsonPat | 191485 | ||
Steve wrote: "Were you also looking for extra-biblical Ante-Nicene attestation?" ParsonPat replies: Surely. I'm doing that as I go along from what's on the WWW. I've reveiwed a number of available Gnostic texts. Whenever I do catch a glimpse of what I'm investigating, it's usually expressed in such a manner that I can neither verify nor discredit it. I can sometimes link THEOS and/or PATHR to a Gnostic term like "Prime Source" or "unutterable utterance" in the sense of God's identify or name, but the usage or definition is generally vague or speculative. Do you have some other extra-biblical references in mind? |
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8 | ... | John 16:28 | srbaegon | 191487 | ||
Hello PastorPat, I would recommend reading the Ante-Nicene Fathers at www.ccel.org. Here is one excerpt from Ignatius' epistle to the Philippians: Chapter II.—Unity of the three divine persons. There is then one God and Father, and not two or three; One who is; and there is no other besides Him, the only true [God]. For "the Lord thy God," saith [the Scripture], "is one Lord." And again, "Hath not one God created us? Have we not all one Father?" And there is also one Son, God the Word. For "the only-begotten Son," saith [the Scripture], "who is in the bosom of the Father." And again, "One Lord Jesus Christ." And in another place, "What is His name, or what His Son’s name, that we may know?" And there is also one Paraclete. For "there is also," saith [the Scripture], "one Spirit," since "we have been called in one hope of our calling." And again, "We have drunk of one Spirit," with what follows. And it is manifest that all these gifts [possessed by believers] "worketh one and the self-same Spirit." There are not then either three Fathers, or three Sons, or three Paracletes, but one Father, and one Son, and one Paraclete. Wherefore also the Lord, when He sent forth the apostles to make disciples of all nations, commanded them to "baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost," not unto one [person] having three names, nor into three [persons] who became incarnate, but into three possessed of equal honour. Steve |
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