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1 | Where are the Bible heroes since death? | John 13:33 | EdB | 232741 | ||
Dan Point 1 In John 13:33 (NASB) 33 "Little children, I am with you a little while longer. You will seek Me; and as I said to the Jews, now I also say to you, 'Where I am going, you cannot come.' “As I said to the Jews.” Since the second covenant had not yet been established the disciples were in the same situation as the Jew unable to go to where Jesus was going. However Jesus assured them that in a little while they would be able to follow after Jesus. This also has the double meaning that Peter would shortly face crucifixion. Point 2 Come is to accompany, follow is to go after as these words were used by Jesus. Jesus said you can’t accompany me or come with me but you will follow after me in a little while. Point 3 Hades/Hell is not place of punishment as such but rather a holding place for the dead spirits. Jesus gave us a full description of Hades/Hells in Luke 16:19-31 when he told of Lazarus and rich man. This description exactly corresponds to the Jewish understanding of Hades/Hell found in Jewish literature. In any case Hades/Hell is divided into two sections a hot dry place and Abraham’s bosom or paradise. Before Christ all that died went to the Hades/Hell to await Judgment or the Messiah. The unrighteous dead would be in the hot dry place awaiting final Judgment. The righteous dead that died looking for the Messiah would be in Abraham’s bosom. All were held captive by death. When Jesus died upon the cross he descended into Hades/Hell to Abraham’s bosom and preached the Good News. He then led captivity captive to heaven. Eph 4:8. Paul tells us in 2 Corinthians 5:6-10 (NASB) 6 Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord— 7 for we walk by faith, not by sight— 8 we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord. 9 Therefore we also have as our ambition, whether at home or absent, to be pleasing to Him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. Or to put it simply absent from the body is to be present with the Lord if you are in Christ Jesus. The unrighteous still wait judgment in the hot dry side of Hades/Hells however Abraham’s bosom side is now empty. What John 1:18 is saying if more complex than no one has seen God. God is spirit so God must be worshipped in spirit but the real intent of what Jesus is saying is no one on this earth is qualified to tell of God, they aren’t able to ascend into God’s presence to observe Him and then report back. Jesus is saying that He and He alone is the only one able to talk of the Father since He and the Father is one and since Jesus descended directly from the Father. |
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2 | 2,000 years not enough to "know" God? | John 13:33 | 00123 | 232755 | ||
Ed., So, why do you say "see" means "know" in John 1:18? In the Bible, the word "see" (Strong 3708) was never used in a meaning of other than "see with eyes." horaô; a prim. vb.; to see, perceive, attend to:--appear(2), appeared(21), appearing(1), behold(3), beware(1), certainly seen(1), do(2), look(5), look after(1), looked(12), perceive(3), recognizing(1), saw(180), see(129), seeing(20), seen(63), seen...see(1), sees(2), suffer(1), undergo(3), underwent(1), watch(2), witnessed(1). Here one question is that if, as you said, a believer went up to the Lord immediately after death, the Bible heroes before Jesus saw God minimally for 2,012 years. If "see" means "know" in John 1:18, is that 2,000 or more years not enough to "know" God? Of course, I admit God is such an amazing being, but my point is face-to-face fellowship with God over 2,000 years must be qualified to say we "know" God rather than we just "saw" God. Dan |
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3 | 2,000 years not enough to "know" God? | John 13:33 | EdB | 232757 | ||
I never said Old Testament believers went up to the Lord immediately after death. I said they went to Hades/Hell to the side which is known as Abraham's bosom. They resided there until Jesus upon His death came there and preached the Good News and lead them then to heaven. Reread my former post. Perhaps this article will help you better understand John 1:18 The "fulness" of God as stated in verse 16 could not be known through any ordinary man. It must come through the One who possesses the nature of God. The word "God" is stated first and is without the definite article. This indicates first, that the emphasis is on the word "God," and second, the nature of God should be the object of our attention. The statement is not referring to the impossibility of a vision of God (a theophany), but rather to His qualities. "Hath seen" (heoraken) is in the Greek perfect tense indicating a past action of seeing which is held in the mind so that it may be related to others. God's nature cannot be seen or held and revealed to others by any ordinary man. The utter inability of "no man" is stressed in opposition to God who revealed himself in the Only Begotten. (Many ancient manuscripts read "God only begotten" indicating that Jesus is both God and only begotten or unique, one of a kind.) John's Gospel begins with the Logos who has eternality and equality with God. The Logos then assumed human nature and was introduced by the Baptist. Then John's Gospel proclaims that the fullness of truth and grace was in Jesus Christ. Verse 18 is related to verses 1 and 2 by this assertion that the Logos, who is Jesus Christ, retained His deity when He came to earth. Since He is God, He had the ability to give the full revelation of God. "In the bosom of the Father" refers to the truth of His deity and shows the reason the only begotten God could be the full revelation of all that God is. He, the Logos, and now known as Jesus Christ, "is in the bosom" of God the Father. The evidence indicates that not only in eternity but even while He was on earth in the flesh His existence was in the bosom of the Father. This is the closest relationship to God. His position is not merely beside (para) God, but He is the heart of God. The Son of God is God's interpreter. God did not entrust His full revelation to be given by men; He took the initiative to declare it for himself. Complete Biblical Library Commentary - The Complete Biblical Library – John. Strong's was never meant to be dictionary of Greek and Hebrew words. We must be cautious when we use it to supply definitions making sure we maintain context. Most original language words are far more complex than a single English word equivalent. |
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4 | 2,000 years not enough to "know" God? | John 13:33 | 00123 | 232759 | ||
Ed, I appreciate and agree with your citation on Jn 1:18. But as for the death, I thought believers, even after Jesus' crucifixion, go to Abraham's bosom and wait for the judgment and coming of God's kingdom, but did God change the practice with Jesus' sacrifice? So, do believers now go to God upon death? -Dan |
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5 | 2,000 years not enough to "know" God? | John 13:33 | EdB | 232760 | ||
Do believers now go to the God upon death? Yes Paul tells us in 2 Corinthians 5:6-8 (NASB) 6 Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord— 7 for we walk by faith, not by sight— 8 we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord. Which we interpret to mean that upon the death of a believer, they go directly into the presence of the Lord. However non believers still go Hades/Hell on the hot dry side to await their final Judgement. |
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