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1 | The meaning of your statments | Luke 5:8 | brother paul | 179491 | ||
Dear Brian, Sorry for the delay, I've been away, If I understand your reply correctly, you ask how is it that 'sin' and 'evil' are in repemtive plan of God. Thank you for your question. 1 Cor 5:5 speaks p;ainly how an evildoer should be turned over to Satan that the Spirit might be saved. Somehow what we might consider as 'wrong' and 'sinful' has an ultimate goal of bringing people to repentance. Is this how we learn? Did mankind have to fall into 'sin' to begin to understand His ways? Did Judas have to betray Christ? Without Judas would I be a Christian? Is there a 'Judas' in us all? Is it part of the process of coming to know Him? Is 'sin' and realisation of 'sin' a part of reconciliation to Him? Romans 3:7, even Paul's lie is unto His glory. Romans 7:13 where the sin must become exceedingly sinful. When Paul said he had been accused of saying that, 'let us do evil that goog may abound' (Rom 3:8) he was accused of exactly the the point I a, trying to make. I, like Paul, do not advocate a life of sin. I, like Paul, say that God is all in all, (1 Cor 15:28) and averything permitted in God's wisdom could have been prevented by His power. Therefore anything that happens is OK by me. If he has permitted it, why should I object? Once we enter this spiritual understanding, it changes everything, all of a sudden everything is fine, it's in Him, no problems, do not be anxious, we are at peace, in Him. Got it? Love you brother, Yours and His, Paul |
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2 | Paul, the Answers Are? | Luke 5:8 | Hank | 179509 | ||
Paul - Paragraph 3 of your Post 179491 is a series of questions, apparently intended to be rhetorical, but which, in my view, ought to be answered, complete with Bible references. In the interest of Bible study, therefore, will you please answer biblically the questions you have raised? --Hank | ||||||
3 | Paul, the Answers Are? | Luke 5:8 | brother paul | 179519 | ||
Hello Hank, Jesus was 'the lamb slain from the founding of the world.' (Rev 13:8) Adam was instructed 'to keep' (Hb. shamar') or guard Eden, (Gen 2:15) because there must have been some sort of danger already present. God said 'in the day that thou eatest', not 'if'. (Gen 2:17) This sounds to me as prophetic. I do not believe that our sovereign God is into crisis management, merely reacting to unforeseen events as they unfold. Before 'project earth' was initiated there must have been divine agreement that man would fall and Christ eventually crucified. This creative process would with unfailling purpose 'form man into His image'. (Gen 2:7) Therefore what we see and witness is the outworking of His plan, not the frustration of it. He is 'all in all', (1 Cor 14:27,28) 'to the pure all things are pure.' (Titus 1:15) God uses Satan, sometimes it he is like God's sheepdog, when a lamb strays He sets him off to get it back. Satan is allowed to roam the earth, (1 Peter 5:8) he was cast out of heaven to the earth, (Rev 12:9) and he is deliberately let out of prison that he might deceive the nations. (Rev 20:7,8) This is not accidental, it is for a reason. Therefore the blinding of minds for a time, deception and seperation from Him are necessary proceedures to complete His design. Judas, he was the only on of the twelve to fulfill prophecy. Christ had to be betrayed and sold for thirty pieces of silver. (Zec 11:12,13) These prophecies identified Him as the Messiah. If they had not been fulfilled then the plan would have collapsed. Without judas would I be a Christian? Jesus 'chose twelve and one was a devil', (John 6:70) and Jesus did nothing but what he saw the Father do. (John 5:19) I ask another question, if Christ needed a devil to complete his ministry and only copied the Father, did the Father also need Satan? I think He did. Jesus told Judas 'that thou doest, do quickly.' (John 13:27) When confronting Jesus before the throne of judgement could Judas reply, 'I did what you told me to do'? To be resurrected I must first be dead, sin brings death. To be forgiven I must be a sinner. To be redeemed I must need redemtion. To be delivered I must be in a place where I need deliverance. By God bringing me to a positon where I cry for His forgiveness, redemption, deliverance and ultimate resurrection has been His plan. To get me to that place He has used Satan, sin and the failure of human life. My lie has been to His glory. (Rom 3:7) My fall is His victory. Yours, and His in Him, Paul |
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4 | Paul, the Answers Are? | Luke 5:8 | BradK | 179525 | ||
Hi Paul, I'm in basic agreement with your reply in the 1st 3 paragraphs. However, I'm still hanging with your scenario of Judas and the ongoing question that "Without judas would I be a Christian?" Are you stating that God's plan would have been frustrated? You seem to contradict your initial response!? Isn't this merely speculative as Judas did betray Christ and the prophecy was fulfilled? Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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5 | Paul, the Answers Are? | Luke 5:8 | brother paul | 179534 | ||
Dear Brad, By your answer you agree that Christ had to be betrayed. The meaning of 'betrayed' involves a close associate who turns against you. Therefore someone close to Christ, intimately involved with Him had to turn against Him, to identify Him as the Messiah. Alright, OK, it didnt have to be Judas, but someone had to do it, otherwise we would not have the confirmation of His special place in the plan of God. Maybe I should say without a traitor would I be a Christian. This does not alter the original precept of the debate. Without a traitor would I be a Christian? This is the centre of my point, that somehow in the plan of God had to betray Christ for me to be Christian, we have to go through rejecton before acceptance. This is how God brings us to Him, 'sin' and 'rebellion' are all part of the process. The question is where legalism seperates itself from Christ, is this process 'wrong'? Yours, and His, in Him, Paul |
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6 | Paul, the Answers Are? | Luke 5:8 | DocTrinsograce | 179535 | ||
Dear Paul, I think you've got your causes and effects mixed up. John 6:44 does NOT say, "No man can come to me, except Judas succeeded in his betrayal." :-) In Him, Doc |
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