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1 | Purpose of John's baptism? | Luke 3:3 | Searcher56 | 154769 | ||
It is not exegesis when you look at one or two verses ... plus myself and others have proven what the verses you quoted mean ... in context. Go read each verse and know the truth. | ||||||
2 | Purpose of John's baptism? | Luke 3:3 | Dalcent | 154772 | ||
With due respect what constitutes evidence? You can't say you've proven anything other than say you've present your best argument if the point remains disputed. Personally I'm going with the plain sense of scripture, the voluminous body of writings by the Church fathers, the Nicene Creed, the Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church, Martin Luther, John Wesley, Article 27 of the Thirty-Nine Articles of the Church of England, etc. etc. etc. If truth were decided by the majority vote of all Christians then you most certainly have been proven wrong. Please note that Scripture is a whole; I believe your exegesis is based on an either/or approach to Scripture, rather than an and/with methodology. Herein lies your error. As the majority of Christians believe BAPTISM AND/WITH FAITH saves, I agree entirely with you when you present verses which only mention faith/belief, you simply present one half of the historic orthodox Christian doctrine, you don't contradict it... |
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3 | Purpose of John's baptism? | Luke 3:3 | Wild Olive Shoot | 154777 | ||
Dalcent, Do not add works to our salvation. Our good works are a by-product of our faith and proof of our fellowship with Christ and Baptism is indeed a proof and profession of our faith in Christ but is not a required "part or piece" of the salvation process. I disagree with your faith plus Baptism equals salvation stance. The following is my view as posted in post numbers 151719 and 151715. It was addressed to another forum user, but it applies here as well. Note: Nick, You need to take your own advice in which you quoted Matthew 22:29: “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God” Read Ephesians 2:8-9. Seams to me that you boast you are saved due to some kind of work in which you did. Understand that the power of God means the power of God. Your salvation is not dependant on anything you do for which to earn it by. It is a gift.-- post 151715 Note: "Furthermore, let me refer you to the following verses, keeping in mind when you read them that Scripture does not contradict itself: John 3:16 Titus 3:5 If Baptism is a requirement for salvation, then please explain the following: 1 Corinthians 1:14 1 Corinthians 1:17 So the cross of Christ does not have the power? Is that what you claim? How about the following verses in The Gospel of John alone, in which we are told to “believe”, and never once does it mention being baptized: John 1:12 John 3:16 John 3:18 John 3:36 John 5:24 John 11:25-26 John 12:44 John 20:31 Also realize the following with Mark 16:16: “Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.” Only the first half of that verse speaks of belief and baptism. The second half only speaks of belief. It does NOT say, “but whoever does not believe or is not baptized will be condemned.” Baptism is a step in obedience, and an important one. However YOU cannot make it a requirement."-- post 151719. Our salvation rests wholly on God's grace through faith in Christ. WOS |
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4 | Purpose of John's baptism? | Luke 3:3 | DocTrinsograce | 154785 | ||
Hi, WOS... Sounds like the Church of Christ folks are back with their monothematic approach to soteriology. If you would like to read a good paper on the topic of Baptismal Regeneration by Dr. James White, let me commend you to http://aomin.org/bapreg.html I got to hear Dr. White speak on the Sufficiency of Scripture for several days at a Founders conference here a few months ago. What a delight! I wish you could have been there to enjoy it along with me! In Him, Doc |
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5 | Purpose of John's baptism? | Luke 3:3 | Dalcent | 154830 | ||
Sorry Doc, I have nothing to do with Boston Church of Christ. Never have. The only Churches you'll find me in are Catholic, Orthodox, or conservative Episcopalian. Mine is the voice of the bi-millenial Church. The voice of the historic Christian Church, of the creeds, of the Councils, of the Fathers of the Church. My Masters degree education in Theology is from the great universities of Europe older than your country. Talking of universities, I have to inform you that "Dr" James White is DUPING YOU calling himself a Doctor of Theology. His "degree" is bogus, it is from Columbia Evangelical Seminary which is a little room above a shop, it is unaccredited, it's students set their own syllabus. I'm perfectly happy to hear Mr. White's opinions but please don't call the pseud a Doctor, he isn't. http://www.columbiaseminary.org/ http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2004_09_12_socrates58_archive.html Photo of the Columbia evangelical seminary; no one is sure if the park bench outside the shop is part of the campus. Note to the moderator: if any of this is untrue I will gladly post an apology. But check. |
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6 | Purpose of John's baptism? | Luke 3:3 | DocTrinsograce | 154833 | ||
I'll let you tell him that. Visit his web site. Lots of good discussion. By the way, Dr. Walter Martin, although dead, still has a wonderful web site on these topics as well. http://www.waltermartin.org/ http://aomin.org/ Ad hominem arguments, Dalcent, are actually the least interesting arguments of all. We are a Sola Scriptura forum, buddy. :-) |
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7 | Purpose of John's baptism? | Luke 3:3 | Dalcent | 154843 | ||
Dear Doc, You wrongly posted that James White is a Doctor, and I pointed out he is Mr James White. I would not be happy with you calling someone Apostle Brown or Prophet Jones. A false title needs addressing. Besides Mr White obviously uses "Doctor" to lend authority to his views: at least its not as bad as a phoney doctor working in a hospital. |
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