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1 | Purpose of John's baptism? | Luke 3:3 | Morant61 | 154816 | ||
Greetings Dalcent! You would certainly have a valid point, if 'dikaioutai' in James 2:24 could ONLY mean 'he was made righteous'. However, 'dikaioutai' can also mean that 'he was shown to be righteous'. This meaning would certainly make more sense in light of the context of James 2. James is not speaking of 'how' to get saved, but the evidence of salvation. This word is used in this manner of God in Rom. 3:4: "Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: 'So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.'" 'Dikaio' is translated here as 'proved right'. Obviously, God cannot be made righteous, but He can be demonstrated to be righteous. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Purpose of John's baptism? | Luke 3:3 | Dalcent | 154848 | ||
Hi Tim Moran, What translation of Rom 3:4 follows 'proved right'; mine all translate as 'justified' including the NASB. Regardless, my claim is that my historic orthodox Christianity needs no controversial and contorted explanations of the text nor does it require any one re-translate the Greek to order. Every reputable Bible translates 2:24 properly; God's Word is too sacred to do otherwise: Jam 2:24 (ASV) Ye see that by works a man is justified, and not only by faith. (DRB) Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only? (ESV) You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. (ISV) You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. (NASB) You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. (NET) You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. (NIV) You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone. HSCB You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. KJV Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. No one is translating the verse to read anything like: You see that a person evidences his justification by works and not by faith alone. And certainly no one has dared translate it as: You see that a person is justified by faith alone and not by works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm going to carry on arguing for the plain sense of the text. I certainly am not contending that James 2:24, contains enough biblical data to explain the biblical doctrine of justification. It does however state clearly what justification isn't: by faith alone. To be blunt Tim, if you want me to take any of your "translations" seriously with all the myriads on the market, I'd like to see a mere 3 reputable versions following your rendering. A translator's note which wasn't even used, in a blatantly evangelical bible just won't do. Best Regards my friend, please don't take offence but I call a spade a spade. |
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3 | Purpose of John's baptism? | Luke 3:3 | Morant61 | 154853 | ||
Greetings Dalcent! So, are you contending that God must be 'saved' in Rom. 3:4 by someone else? :-) Is God not 'justified' and must be justified by someone else? Look the word up in a Greek dictionary. The translation of 'shown to be justified' or 'demonstrated to be justified' is certainly no contortion. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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