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1 | Is baptism a sign of the New Covenant? | Luke 22:20 | Reformer Joe | 80376 | ||
The term "real presence" may be kind of broad to describe Roman Catholic beliefs about the Eucharist. Both Luther and Calvin rejected transubstantiation but held to the real presence of Christ in the Supper. --Joe! |
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2 | Christ's "real presence" not efficaous? | Luke 22:20 | Emmaus | 80383 | ||
Joe, "Both Luther and Calvin rejected ransubstantiation but held to the real presence of Christ in the Supper." Can Christ's "real presence" not be efficatious? And if it is efficaous, in what manner or sense? Emmaus |
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3 | Christ's "real presence" not efficaous? | Luke 22:20 | Reformer Joe | 80391 | ||
'Can Christ's "real presence" not be efficatious?' Oh, I think it is definitely efficacious. We just disagree on the effects. I have a hard time reading Paul's commentary on the Lord's Supper in 1 Corinthians 10-11 without concluding that it actually "does something." "Is not the cup of blessing which we bless a sharing in the blood of Christ? Is not the bread which we break a sharing in the body of Christ?" --1 Corinthians 10:16 In my understanding, it is much more than the bare memorial that the Reformer Ulrich Zwingli concluded it to be. If it is just a ceremony, why were people dying for partaking of it unworthily? Here is the Westminster Larger Catechism's summary of the efficacy and meaning of the Supper: Q. 168. What is the Lord’s supper? A. The Lord’s supper is a sacrament of the New Testament, wherein, by giving and receiving bread and wine according to the appointment of Jesus Christ, his death is showed forth; and they that worthily communicate feed upon his body and blood, to their spiritual nourishment and growth in grace; have their union and communion with him confirmed; testify and renew their thankfulness, and engagement to God, and their mutual love and fellowship each with the other, as members of the same mystical body. So the Lord's Supper: --is a proclamation of Christ's death --nourishes the believer spiritually --causes the faithful to grow in grace (not to maintain or renew our salvation, but rather to further sanctify us) --serves as an outward confirmation of our belonging to Jesus Christ (the covenant aspect) --unites us to the body and blood of Christ through the mediation of the Holy Spirit --reminds us of our belonging to each other and to the universal church of all times and places Of course, this is a minority view among 21st-century Protestants, but it is the view to which I hold. --Joe! |
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4 | Christ's "real presence" not efficaous? | Luke 22:20 | Emmaus | 80397 | ||
Joe, "So the Lord's Supper --is a proclamation of Christ's death --nourishes the believer spiritually --causes the faithful to grow in grace (not to maintain or renew our salvation, but rather to further sanctify us) --serves as an outward confirmation of our belonging to Jesus Christ (the covenant aspect" So, at least you, if not some others, agree this particular "sign" is efficaious to the extent that it transmits sanctifying grace even if you do not believe it is justifying. Which of course makes it different from the "signs" of the Old Covenant which were not efficaious even to the degree of transmitting sanctifying grace let alone justification. Of course I would hold that another "sign" would be efficaious for justification, but I am working on the brader question not that particular one. Then we have questions about other signs and whether they are efficaious. For example the anointing of the sick with oil and prayer in James. It would seem that sign is efficaious in that James 5:15 says, sins will be forgiven and health restored. This would indicate spiritual as well as physical efficacy. Emmaus |
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