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1 | Theological Term: Theotokos | Luke 1:31 | mark d seyler | 156037 | ||
Hi Dalcent, I wonder if I may have been misunderstood in my post. What I meant do ask was "are you saying Mary was the mother of the Deity we know as God the Son?" Does that affect your answer? I also wonder at your capitalization of words associated with Mary. Do you think of her as somehow intrinsically "better", or "elevated over" other believers? Regarding the "over-emphesis of Mary", we know that Jesus did not teach any special recognition of her, and in fact, taught the opposite: Mar 3:32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee. 33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? 34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother. The Bible says, (Col 2:9) "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." I disagree with you that Jesus is simply the Man who was born to Mary. Jesus was born with more than just "Divine Nature". Jesus was the incarnation - putting into flesh - of the Almighty and Eternal God, Who does not have a mother, but Who is Self-existant: "I Am that I Am." As you mentioned the case of a surrogate mother, she is the mother of the child in a purely mechanical sense, carrying the one who is in fact the offspring of another. In that sense I might think of Mary as the mother of God, carrying to term the Child that has no progenitor, that was placed inside her by divine agency, for the care and nurture of a human baby, a baby that would die for her sins and mine, and would call her, and me, to salvation. Love in Christ, mark |
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2 | Theological Term: Theotokos | Luke 1:31 | Dalcent | 156043 | ||
Hi Mark, If mothers hypothetically gave birth to attributes then you and I would agree Mary is not the mother of Christ's deity. However, mothers give birth to persons. If a white woman has a black man's child she is that person's mother. Not the mother of the whiteness but not of the blackness; this is a bit odd; I am not quite sure why Jesus is being chopped up here; he is a person he had a mother. We admit the relevant caveats regarding his pre-existence, godhood etc. I think have only capitalized Mother of God, the Christological title , not for she, her, etc. which is a proper title, like Doctor or Master of Ceremonies. As I'm sure you subscribe to the exact formula of the Trinity (defined at the 1st Ecumenical Council) and the dual natures of Christ (human and divine) presumably exactly as articulated at the 4th Ecumenical Council. It would be inconsistent if you don't seem to be going with the 3rd Ecumenical Council. The 4th was very much related to tying up questions raised by the 3rd. The Scripture does say "all generations" will call Mary "blessed". Furthermore, I believe Luke 1 deliberately compares Mary with the Ark of the Covenant: both were vessels which carried God! 2 Sam 6 Verse 2 David “arose and went†…to bring up from there the ark of God … Verse 9 So David …said, "How can the ark of the LORD come to me?" Verse 11 Thus the ark of the LORD remained… “three months†… in the Judean hill country. Verses 6:14, 16 David danced for JOY in the presence of the Ark, indeed he LEAPED Now, look how Luke undeniably parallels 2 Sam 6 Luke 1 Verse 39 Mary “arose and went†in a hurry to the hill country, to a city of Judah, “arose and went†occurs TWICE ONLY IN THE NT Verse 43 "And how has it happened to me, that the mother of my Lord would come to me? verse 44 For behold, when the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby leaped in my womb for JOY. Verse 41 When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby LEAPED in her womb Verse 56 And Mary stayed with her about “three monthsâ€, and then returned to her home. I’m sure you can work out the statistical improbalities of this being no more than coincidence. Clearly Mary is no less than the New Testament’s Ark of God. And, the OT Ark was just a humble vessel of wood, etc, before God dwelt in it. You said that you disagree 'that Jesus is simply the Man who was born to Mary.' I am saying that Jesus is the God-Man who is born to Mary: her son. I'm fairly certain the Reformers and historic Baptists hold to the Marian title: Mother of God In His Name Dalcent |
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3 | Theological Term: Theotokos | Luke 1:31 | Wild Olive Shoot | 156044 | ||
Well, Let’s get this all out in the open. Theotokos: Mother of God : Mary's son, Jesus, was fully God, as well as fully human, and that Jesus' two natures (divine and human) were united in a single person of the Trinity. It was defined that although Jesus has two natures, human and divine, these are eternally united in one personhood. Mary being mother of God the Son is therefore duly entitled Mother of God. Christotokos: Mother of Christ: The intent behind calling her Christotokos was to restrict her role to be only the mother of "Christ's humanity" and not His Divine nature. Nestorianism: that Jesus had two persons, the man Jesus and the divine Son of God, instead of one unified person. (Christotokos) Monophysitism: Christ has only one nature, as opposed to the Chalcedonian position which holds that Christ has two natures, one divine and one human. There are two major doctrines that can undisputedly be called monophysite: Eutychianism: the human nature of Christ was essentially obliterated by the Divine, "dissolved like a drop of honey in the sea". Apollinarianism: Christ had a human body and human "living principle" but that the Divine Logos had taken the place of the nous, or "thinking principle", analogous but not identical to what might be called a mind in the present day. Scripture, time and time again makes reference to Mary as the mother of Jesus. This Jesus, is / was God incarnate. He was always God, but not always human until the incarnation. Holding both positions, after His incarnation, He never left either until his death. To say Mary is the mother of God in His humanity “only†is to separate Him from His divinity (which would indicate that while He was human He was not God, which did not happen). Jesus was always divine. He was fully Human while remaining divine. You cannot separate one from the other. Mary is rightfully the mother of God. Does that make her any better. Not necessarily. It simply shows that she was in God’s favor and the one chosen to give birth to the Savior. I think the doctrine emphasized that. The big words confuse me… Can’t we keep it simple. WOS Now for the backlash… |
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4 | Theological Term: Theotokos | Luke 1:31 | DocTrinsograce | 156046 | ||
Dear Brother WOS, Thank you for posting a clear explanation! Well done. In Him, Doc |
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