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1 | Fall away | Mark 4:16 | zach† | 38164 | ||
They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for awhile believe, and in time of temptation FALL away. (Lk. 8:13 Mark 4:16-17) Fall in the above verse is the greek word aphistemi, which means to depart, or apostatize from ones once held profession of faith. In the above verse notice: 1. they hear the word 2. they receive the word with joy 3. But they have no root (this refers merely to the shallowness of their faith, or lack of depth) 4. They believe for awhile 5. Then FALL away (they don’t endure to the end) However they were believers for a time who did become apostates |
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2 | How sinful is "fallen away"? | Mark 4:16 | Reformer Joe | 38176 | ||
Zach: A couple of questions to help me understand your position a little better: 1. Once we place our trust in Christ, precisely what do we have to do in order to deserve remaining in grace? 2. How bad do we have to sin to fall out of grace? 3. Since Hebrews 6:4-6 indicates that it is impossible for those who have fallen away to be brought back to repentance, I would assume that you would subscribe to a doctrine of "once fallen away, always fallen away." If that is not the case, please explain these verses in light of your theology. Thanks! --Joe! |
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3 | How sinful is "fallen away"? | Mark 4:16 | popdzl | 38195 | ||
Hey Reformer Joe- In reference to your question, I would like to say that "fallen away" (Mark 4:16) which Zach writes about in his question or note (I'm really unclear which it was) is not the same as Hebrew 6:4-6. In Mark 4:16, Jesus says that the Word is "fallen away" from those who have received the Word with joy and gladness, but in times of difficulty do not abide by the Word. He is not saying that they are fallen away because of sin; he is saying that because they have no faith, they do not trust in and abide by the Word in difficulty just as a seed sown on hard ground will "fall away" when a hard wind or rain comes along. Compare the ground or soil to the heart, the Word to a seed, and adversity to anything which would hinder a growing seedling and you may be able to get a clearer idea of what the whole parable (and any other comparison or parable dealing with seeds, plants, etc.) is conveying as far as a person receiving the teachings of Christ. As far as Hebrews 6:4-6 goes, note that the passage states that a person who has become enlightened (not just saved) and such can not fall away and come back by repentence. Here we have a different situation from Mark 4:16. Hebrews speaks on some one who has followed the path and gained gifts, fruits, and powers inherent on attaining certain "distance" on the path but who then "falls away" in the sense of turning away from the path or denouncing/renouncing the path not in the sense of a saved person sinning. However, to one who has attained that level of enlightenment and such, sinning would be an act of denouncing the path. In this instance there is no repentence because that person would be mocking God. To answer the first two parts of your question, all we must do to stay in grace is have lasting trust and faith in the Word. This implies doing the will of God and repenting if we transgress. Unless we reach the level of faith on which Hebrews 6:4-6 speaks, we will never fall out of grace if we repent. However, this touches on Rev 3:14-19 on being lukewarm which is an abomination to the Lord. If you do not know already, to God, one sin is just as bad as another. There is no scale of relativity in that matter. |
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4 | How sinful is "fallen away"? | Mark 4:16 | zach† | 38335 | ||
popdzl; I enjoyed your post but concerning the following statement in you post in which you said. "Unless we reach the level of faith on which Hebrews 6:4-6 speaks, we will never fall out of grace " Let me ask you; What level of faith is needed by an individual before it is unlikely for him/her to not fall out of grace? Grace and peace be multiplied unto thee zach† |
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5 | How sinful is "fallen away"? | Mark 4:16 | popdzl | 38688 | ||
I'm sorry Zach, I should have said "level of GRACE on which Hebrews 6:4-6 speaks." Faith is determined by whether or not a person succumbs without question or comment to the will of God. Trust is the underlying foundation of faith. As long as we keep the commandments, judgements, and testimonies of the Lord and repent if we do not, we will not fall out of grace. As our faith grows, the more grace that shall be given unto us. I appreciate your question whereas it shows how important it to select wording which would not be confusing or inhibiting to people who are trying to reconcile their faith in God. Thanks and may God bless popdzl |
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