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1 | Is Mark 16:42 a failed prophecy? Help me | Mark 14:62 | jonnyr1 | 110886 | ||
In Mark 14:62 Jesus is speaking directly to the high priest. Jesus says, "...you shall see the sone of man sitting at the right hand of power, and coming with the clouds of heaven." In other words, Jesus told the high priest that he would see Jesus (the Son of Man) returning in the clouds of heaven. But did he? The priest has died and did not see Jesus returning in the clouds. Nor did anyone else. Is there any defense for this verse? Help Please! Jon |
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2 | Is Mark 16:42 a failed prophecy? Help me | Mark 14:62 | Emmaus | 110887 | ||
Jon, Jesu did not say when the High priest would see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven. He will certainly see Him at the last judgement and may have seen Him at the moment of death before his individual judgement. This statment of Jesus was mor a declaration by Jesus of His own identity as the divine "I am" and the Messiah. See Psalm 110:1,2, 5-7 and Daniel 7:9,13, 23-27. for the reference verse and how they also show thet the Son of Man will be vindicated over His enemies by God. Jesus was vindicated in the face of His enemies by His Resurrection and Acension into heaven. Also interesting is the response of the High Priest who tears his garment in violation of Leviticus 10:6 and 21:21:10. Mystically this has been interpreted as the rending and end of the priesthood of the Old Covenant. By comparison, the Linen garment of Jesus, the High Priest of the New Covenant (Hebrews 7:23-24)is not torn (John 19:23-24). Emmaus |
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3 | Can you answer this? | Mark 14:62 | jonnyr1 | 110899 | ||
Hello Emmaus and thank you for responding so quickly. I'll try to go over your response while keeping it somewhat short. Your words will be in quotes. -"Jesus did not say when the High priest would see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven." Irrelevant. He says that the priest will see him returning. If he wasn't to see him coming back in his lifetime while he was on earth, then when? Jesus is clearly referring to his second coming to earth to judge and reward (matthew), and it would be impossible for him to see Jesus returning in the clouds if he wasn't alive and on earth. In Matthew 16:27-28 (KJV) Jesus says this to his disciples: 27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Please don't try to say that this was fulfilled during the transfiguration. Problems with this defense: 1) Matt. 16:27 says the Son of man "shall come"; whereas, Jesus didn't come from somewhere to Peter, James, and John. He was with them all along and, in fact, took them up the mountain. 2) Jesus was supposed to come with angels and they aren't even mentioned in the Transfiguration account. 3) When did Jesus "reward every man according to his works" at the time of the Transfiguration? Nothing is said about rewarding anyone. 4) Jesus was to come "in his kingdom." Yet, his kingdom isn't mentioned in the Transfiguration account either. 5) According to the same narrative in Mark 9:1 the kingdom was to "come with power." Yet, the events surrounding the Transfiguration elicit no exceptional display of power. Read also: mark 9:1, luke 9:27 Use any translation or version you like, the message remains clear. -"He will certainly see Him at the last judgement and may have seen Him at the moment of death before his individual judgement." Yes, we will all see him at the last judgement. But the verses in Matthew and Mark don't refer to the last judgement. Your answer is evasive and unscriptural. His individual judgement right after death? Please bring out your Bible and enlighten me on this. Not to mention that it is still invalid, as is the last judgement. Neither have anything to do with him coming back to earth in the clouds. -"This statment of Jesus was mor a declaration by Jesus of His own identity as the divine "I am" and the Messiah." He says 'I AM'. The passage has more meaning than simply a declaration. Read the rest of the verse. Also read Matthew 16:27-28 again. The verse consists of more than two words! Let's be honest and keep the whole verse intact please. If it was just a declaration, Jesus wouldn't have made a promise that the priest would see him coming, and Jesus wouldn't have promised to his disciples (in Matthew 16) that they would see him coming in his kingdom. -"See Psalm 110:1,2, 5-7 and Daniel 7:9,13, 23-27. for the reference verse and how they also show thet the Son of Man will be vindicated over His enemies by God. Jesus was vindicated in the face of His enemies by His Resurrection and Acension into heaven." I have already read and studied these cross reference many times. Being vindicated is not the point I am getting at. You know very well that I am concerned with his prediction and promise to the priest and disciples. -"Also interesting is the response of the High Priest who tears his garment in violation of Leviticus 10:6 and 21:21:10. Mystically this has been interpreted as the rending and end of the priesthood of the Old Covenant. By comparison, the Linen garment of Jesus, the High Priest of the New Covenant (Hebrews 7:23-24)is not torn (John 19:23-24)." Interesting, but not the issue of discussion. Hope to hear from you again, Jon |
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4 | Can you answer this? | Mark 14:62 | Emmaus | 110903 | ||
Dear Jon, At the risk of my response being deemed irrelavant, let me point out that in Daniel 7 Jesus was coming "with the clouds of heaven" to the "Ancient of Days" that i.e. the Father(this does not refer to the Second Coming, more likely the Acension into heaven. What made you presume I would argue the Transfigureation?), "who gave him dominion and power and glory so that ALL peoples (the High Priest would be included among ALL peoples)nations and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away and his kingdom one that shall not pass away." Palm 110:1 says "Sit at my (the Father's) right hand until I make your enemies (the High Priest among them) your footstool. I believe the High Priest certainly will "see" this at some point if he has not already. Of course I could be wrong and it is possible you will have to ask Jesus about this one yourself, when you see Him, in order to get your questions answered to your satisfaction. I will go along with whatever his answer is. Irrelevantly yours, Emmaus |
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