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1 | strong words for sin, not sinner | Matt 28:19 | Reformer Joe | 57094 | ||
Estelle: You wrote: "However, I don't recall Jesus exhorting us to denigrate the person who is doing the action, but to rebuke the person FOR the action." If you mean by "denigrate" to give unfair insults and to do so in order to make oneself look better at anoth's expense, you are right. If you mean that Jesus never spoke harshly to his theological opponents, I suggest you go re-read the gospels. The second half of John 8 is a good place to start. Jesus referred to the Pharisees as hypocrites, vipers, blind guides, whitewashed tombs, sons of the devil, etc. Are those terms referring to sins or the people committing them? Is Jesus sinning by "calling them names"? If not, why not? 'I also don't recall Jesus or any of the disciples "starting the fights". They didn't allow themselves to be walked on, but neither did they initiate the confrontation.' I am glad that you see things that way, since this confrontation was not initiated by me, but rather by someone who dug up a post from MAY, 2001 and decided that I needed a lesson in how to embrace a false teacher and a cult member as someone who is "where he needs to be" instead of so shaprly correcting him after his constant insistence that the biblical doctrine of the Trinity is a pagan invention and twisting Scripture to try and prove it. Why she felt the need to appoint herself as my "manners instructor" FIFTEEN MONTHS after I made the post is beyond me, but she has yet to use one single verse of Scripture to correct me in what she perceives to be my "unloving attitude" (she knows my heart based on one post, apparently), which is the biblical model of correction (2 Timothy 3:16). So you tell me: who "started this confrontation"? You wrote: "Sin is what starts the confrontation, therefore the rebuke should be toward the sin. Some people are still hardheaded even after the sin is pointed out. At that point, a "HEY YOU, you're on the wrong path because of xyz" is necessary. But a "HEY STUPID, YOU'RE NOT SMART because of xyz" is never called for." 1. The direct object of the verb "rebuke" is ALWAYS a person committing the sin, not the sin itself. The apostles do not say, "Good heretic, bad heresy." 2. Please show me one instance where I have ever called ANYONE stupid on this forum. Please do not commit the sin of slandering me. Bearing false witness is one of the big ten, you know. 3. There is a difference between STUPIDITY (Lack of intelligence) and FOOLISHNESS (failure to exercise biblical wisdom). For example, this whole issue even coming up in the first place is foolishness. The fact that the one who instigated this character attack and unbiblical lesson toward me has been corrected (gently, even) by no less than four other individuals on this forum and still persists in her unbiblical stance is foolishness. She may be a rocket scientist, but she is attempting to point out that sharp rebuke against heresy is unloving, when the Bible demonstrates this not to be true. That, too, is foolishness, just as it is foolishness that this thread persists. Again, please go back into the archives, dust them off, and actually read the exchange which caused cookie to get on her soapbox in the first place. You will find that I was direct, to the point, biblical, but not insulting to anyone's intelligence. --Joe! |
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2 | strong words for sin, not sinner | Matt 28:19 | roviear | 57182 | ||
Joe, well put. I appreciate your candor. Also, thank you for defining "rebuke". I misunderstood its definition and will no longer be afraid to walk on eggshells around irascible people when it comes to my beliefs. Btw, his or her name is Coffee, not Cookie (yet another way one could believe he or she is being unlovingly belittled). In Christ, Estelle |
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3 | strong words for sin, not sinner | Matt 28:19 | Reformer Joe | 57221 | ||
Estelle: You wrote: 'Joe, well put. I appreciate your candor. Also, thank you for defining "rebuke". I misunderstood its definition and will no longer be afraid to walk on eggshells around irascible people when it comes to my beliefs.' Well, you are correct that we are to do so lovingly. I would never try and belittle and honest seeker of the truth, but there are wolves that do come in with the intent not of learning more about God, but of disrupting and spreading false teachings. the thing to remember is that, no matter how gently one presents it, God uses His word and His people to accompish his purpose of saving people. He does not do it without the church, and He does not save people apart from the truth of his word. Therefore, the truth must always be spoken (Romans 10:14). "Btw, his or her name is Coffee, not Cookie (yet another way one could believe he or she is being unlovingly belittled)." You are correct. My apologies for not paying closer attention! --Joe! |
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