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1 | Matt. 17:11-13 Elijah to John the Bapt.? | Matt 17:12 | Appleseed | 143412 | ||
To be brief :), first a statement then justification - Moses was raised from the dead, like Lazarus and others. But unlike Lazarus, Moses went to heaven, translated like Elijah. It happened sometime after his death and before mount transfiguration. I wondered why did God personally burry Moses’ body? Why did God protect Moses’ dead body and no one elses? Why did satan want it so badly? The reason is not to hide it from the people to stop them committing idolatry. As there were many other great men of God that had graves, why didn’t they dig up their bones to make them “Idols”? Not one example of where God’s people, those who FEARED God, did this with their kings/leaders bones. Also they know that it is unclean to even touch a corpse and to make something an idol is even worse. So the ones who seek God wouldn’t have stumbled at this. There must be another reason for God to burry it, hide it from people and especially to protect it against satan “the destroyer.” Why did God preserve and take care of it Himself? We try to preserve bodies over the years with aloes, spices etc but to be honest sincerely unsuccessfully. Note, we try but God would surely succeed if He did it. Why would God preserve and protect Moses body? For a future purpose! What future purpose? Moses will be one of the two witnesses during the tribulation period (Rev. 11:3-5). Moses meets the criteria of the witness described in Zech. 4. Also the witness does similar miracles to that which Moses did in Egypt (Rev. 11:6). And Jesus spoke about His second coming (end of the tribulation) He spoke to Moses and Elijah (Matt. 17). These 2 witnesses, Moses and Elijah, will come from heaven’s paradise in their physical corruptible bodies at the same time the rapture happens? And Just like Moses showed Israel their sins he will be showing the world their sins and the importance of a Savoir, Jesus Christ. They would need to die or be raptured in order to be redeemed by the Blood of Christ, and they do at mid tribulation (Rev. 11:7-10). Peter reiterated what Jesus spoke about on mount “transfiguration”, the sacred mountain (2 Peter 1:16-21). Moses needs a corruptible body not an incorruptible one to fulfill his purpose as a witness, as he would need to die at the hands of the Beast’s friend (Rev. 11:7-10). Wouldn’t be able to do it in an incorruptible one. Saints who were in paradise when Jesus was resurrected would have received one either at Jesus’ resurrection (Matt. 27:52 - where some saints received) or at the rapture where the rest would receive it (1 Cor. 15:50-54). Therefore Moses would have received his and wouldn’t be possible for him to die, which would mean the following would be exposed: 1) he couldn’t have been one of the witnesses the two witnesses that performed miracles similar to Moses Rev. 11 2) Why did Jesus speak with him at the mount. 3) There would be no reason for the God to personally bury the body of Moses and protect it as He didn’t do that for anyone else. 4) How did Jesus have the power over Moses spirit by calling it out of Sheol when it belonged to Satan. Moses wouldn’t have been permitted to see Jesus at mount transfiguration unless he was in his body. Why? Jesus couldn’t have called him from Sheol’s paradise because He didn’t have the authority over Sheol, only Satan did at that time (per the previous message). Now if Jesus knew where Moses body was and raised him from the dead then that would have been possible (not saying Jesus did – Hypothetical). But to bring up a spirit from death without addressing the reason the spirit has authority on earth, the body, He couldn’t. He would be like the mediums. Look at Lazarus, Jesus brought his spirit back from Sheol and Lazarus body lived again. Jesus could only raise him by addressing the very thing that gives the spirit the right to rule on earth – their body (spirit’s earth suit). Without an earth suit, body, our spirit is not allowed to exercise its rights over the earth (Gen. 1:28; Ps. 8:6-8; Ps. 115:16). It needs to be in one. Why did Jesus if 2 agree on earth … (Matt. 18:19). For this reason Jesus didn’t exercise his authority as the Son of God but the Son of Man (John 5:27) a big difference. If He called up the dead He would be like the mediums that relinquish their authority to Satan. It is possible that Moses came down from paradise in his body because he was raised earlier by someone exercising their authority as the Son of Man (Elijah? Jesus?) and God translated him to heaven like Elijah, still unredeemed. Would Jesus have known where Moses body would be buried and could He have raised Moses from the dead? This would mean seeing Moses at mount transfiguration would be legal, makes sense why God protected his body. Also means Moses is not redeemed yet but will be during the trib. therefore makes sense that he be one of the witnesses and a good reason why Jesus spoke to them. Just a theory that is out there. |
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2 | Matt. 17:11-13 Elijah to John the Bapt.? | Matt 17:12 | BradK | 143422 | ||
Hi Appleseed, I have a question that possibly you could clarify in your "theory": Why do you say "Moses went to heaven, translated like Elijah?" I'm not aware of any scriptural basis for this. Could you provide any? Also, You say "Moses will be one of the two witnesses during the tribulation period (Rev. 11:3-5)." This is a debatable theory and Moses is certainly a possibility as a candidiate. Enoch and Elijah are as well- being translated and not seeing death. The bottom line is this: The Bible doesn't specifically tell us. I see much speculation in your post:-) Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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3 | Matt. 17:11-13 Elijah to John the Bapt.? | Matt 17:12 | Appleseed | 143610 | ||
Howdee, Yes, as mentioned a theory and not going to debate because it will be foolishness. It doesn't say plainly it happened or else I wouldn’t spend time explaining Biblical principles. Yes dotted lines but these dotted lines are based on foundation Biblical principles, which were highlighted previously. If you don't agree with this then you are still left with the following question that you need to answer. Based on all the possible answers I have been through and commentaries I've read (very little on this I might add) this theory makes the most sense to me biblically but there are still questions like who but the when and why has already been answered: 1) Why did God take personal interest in burring the body of Moses and protecting it from satan as He didn’t do that for anyone else? 2) Why did Jesus speak with him at the mount? It wasn't Enoch but Elijah and Moses. They covered a very specific subject of His second coming - why them? It wasn't someone else, nor was it one or three people but two specific people Elijah and Moses. 3) Keeping in mind anyone calling up the dead to talk are mediums, is an abomination to God. “Or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD” (Deut. 18:11-12). Jesus would not do this so how was it possible for Jesus to call up Moses from Paradise (in Sheol) when satan had the keys over death? No one can have a clear answer on the above without speculation :) In the Living Vine |
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4 | Matt. 17:11-13 Elijah to John the Bapt.? | Matt 17:12 | BradK | 143643 | ||
Hi Appleseed, Thanks for your response- and no intent to debate- just seeking clarification to better understand your point of view. 1. My understanding for God taking an interest in "in burring the body of Moses " (sic) was to prevent idolatry. 2. Granted Jesus spoke to Moses and Elijah. In Luke 9:31 they "were speaking of his departure"- though no other specifics are given. Anything more is just speculation:-) Your point and "Theory" are noted. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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5 | Matt. 17:11-13 Elijah to John the Bapt.? | Matt 17:12 | Appleseed | 143834 | ||
Hi Brad, Thanks for clarifying. As you know even, 1) To prevent idolatry is speculation which has less scriptural backing, also doesn't answer the fact that it was guarded from satan. There were many other great men of God that had graves, why didn’t God's people us their bones to make them “Idols”? Not one example of where God’s people, those who Feared God, did this with their kings/leaders bones. Also they know that it is unclean to even touch a corpse and to make something an idol is even worse. So the ones who seek God wouldn’t have stumbled at this. 2) They spoke about 2 things 1) His departure (Luke 9:31) 2) His second coming (2 Peter 1:16-18). Speaking the Truth in Love, In the Living Vine Andre |
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