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1 | Paul had problems? No one acts good? | Matt 11:28 | atdcross | 164730 | ||
Romans 7 is, I believe, not descriptive of any personal experience before or after conversion. 1 John 1:8-10 is not intended as descriptive of anyone's personal problems in relation to sin. These verses seem to combat some heretical teachings at the time related to claims of being sinless or absolute perfection. Regarding your surprise at my suggestion, after stating there are no inherent contradictions in the Bible, you claim, “the verses you quote refer to man's idea of what is good.” The verses I quoted were the words of Jesus (Matt 7:11; Luke 11:13), therefore, making the implication that Jesus statements here are merely “man’s idea.” I assumed you did not realize it and I only sought clarity in your position. Luke 11:13 stress the point of my argument. Jesus is affirming that even evil people can do a good deed. In general we may not disagree, however, specifically I disagree that the interpretation of Romans 7 is descriptive of the apostle’s personal experience. (1) To the question, “No one acts good”? the answer is that evil people to commit acts that are in and of themselves morally good. (2) To the question, “Paul had problems?” (in relation to Romans 7), the answer is that the apostle claimed to have led a blameless life before and after conversion (Phil 3:4-6; Acts 24:16). The apostle had no such struggle with sin as described in Romans 7:14 or 8:8. "Paul's experience as a Christian is the last thing that could be considered as the topic here. 'I am carnal, sold under sin'...To refer these words to Paul's status as a Christian, or to the status of any other Christian, is to torture the word of God...Paul had just finished saying that Christians are 'dead to sin' and 'alive unto God' in Christ Jesus (Romans 6:11); and to apply these words to Christians is to contradict what had just been stated" (Coffman). |
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2 | Paul had problems? No one acts good? | Matt 11:28 | ebrain | 164760 | ||
Continuation of my last post. Once again you are misquoting Scripture. you say that Romans 6:11, says "that christians are dead to sin". This is clearly nor the case, what in fact this verse is requesting us to do is "to consider ourselves dead to sin". An unconverted person only has one nature, which we refer to as "the old nature", however, when one becomes a christian one is delighted to discover that one now has a "a new nature", this nature only desires to do the will of God, and is incapable of sin. We are, however, horified to discover that the old nature is still with us, and very much alive, this is made clear by Paul, where yet again once more back in Romans 7, at verse 25, he says "I myself with my mind (new nature) serve the law of God, but with my flesh (old nature) I serve the law os sin". This statment by Paul helps to reconcile the apparant contradiction of 1st John 1:8-10, with 1st John 3:9, which should be translated as "cannot sin", and not "cannot keep in sinning", as some modern versions read. Remember it is not just a case of overcomming His reluctance, but rather laying hold of His willingness. Edwin Brain. |
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3 | Paul had problems? No one acts good? | Matt 11:28 | jlhetrick | 164956 | ||
Ebrain, Very well put. I hadn't been aware that there were any who thought differently regarding these clear teachings in Romans. I was concerned by the position atdcross was taking. But that is what the forum is for, so that we can consider these things and let the word of God straighten them out for us. Wich writer in the bible referred to himself as "chief" of sinners? Sincerely, Jeff |
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4 | Paul had problems? No one acts good? | Matt 11:28 | ebrain | 164964 | ||
Thank you for Jihetrick your kind words. In answer to your question, Paul did, see 1 Timothy 1:15. In Him. Edwin. |
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5 | Paul had problems? No one acts good? | Matt 11:28 | jlhetrick | 164970 | ||
Hello Edwin, Yes, Paul referred to himself as chief among sinners, though I have felt at times that I could challenge him for that title. I believe that this self-proclaimed title represented what he illustrated in Romans chapter 7. Thankfully, Paul understood that while he was a long way off from being made perfect, the gift of grace through Christ had already freed him from the slavery to sin though the struggle with the "old" nature continued. Thanks for your continued insightful posts. sincerely, Jeff |
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