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1 | Is prophecy dead? | Matt 11:13 | Brent Douglass | 1857 | ||
I assume that you're still on the list, Whyndell, but are simply tired of responding to this particular thread. I'd like to clarify some things from my previous posting. This can be a maddening topic, since there is so much abuse of this gift in many (if not a vast majority of) situations where it is practiced. (If I were to base this only on various and varied personal observations of worship services, I could even be tempted to say "all" situations, but I hesitate to thus "forbid" their practice, since I feel this would be against Scripture). Nevertheless, if one is convinced that such gifts have ceased, he or she must obviously take such an approach (with fear and trembling, I trust, for reasons that I restate below). I absolutely agree that Paul was not discouraging people from correcting error. He was, however, saying not to forbid speaking in tongues (in the manner in which God ordained that they be practiced, and in no other way). For the record, I agree with your definition of tongues as meaning earthly languages. Every direct reference and example of tongues in Scripture (including 1 Cor 12 and 14, Pentecost, and Peter's preaching to Cornelius and his friends) refers specifically to actual human languages; Paul's reference that there are many languages and none is without meaning (1 Cor 14:10) surely indicates a reference to earthly tongues. It seems unreasonable to assume the mention of "tongues of angels" anything but exaggeration in 1 Corinthians 13:1, unless we are also to consider some to "know all mysteries and all knowledge" and to "have all faith, so as to remove mountains" as well. Clearly Paul is not necessarily advocating these as real possibilities. I assume that your statement, "You do not have the simplest understanding of what tongues were for," refers to the fact that tongues were used as a sign. It is true that one purpose of tongues is as a sign, albeit not a sign leading to belief among unbelievers or the ungifted -- just as prophecy is a sign leading to new belief (1 Cor 14:22-25, full passage needed for context). However, just has prophecy has other purposes than simply acting as a sign (clear and accurate communication from God), so may tongues (perhaps purer worship of God without being filtered through a fleshly mind). If, on the basis of 1 Cor 14:22-25, one says tongues can only be used as a sign and nothing else, he must do the same with prophecy, for they are clearly compared and contrasted in parallel. This is a tiresome subject, and it would take a book to clarify it. I recommend the collection of Lloyd-Jones sermons on this topic, "The Baptism and Gifts of the Holy Spirit." I'm not in full agreement (including something this posting), but I think he has the best explication I've seen. |
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2 | Is prophecy dead? | Matt 11:13 | Feet washer | 142282 | ||
John:6:66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and followed him no more! Its because they don't understand it! Thats how religion is formed. Do you remember when you was lost and didn't see the light? You didnt understand it did you! Well The Tougue talking Spirit of God is the same way.Its the language we will all speak in heaven. | ||||||
3 | Is prophecy dead? | Matt 11:13 | Brent Douglass | 142287 | ||
Dear footwasher, Please do not be put off by my directness in the answer below. There is no offense intended toward you, but I believe the facts of the Scriptures are clear on this. Also, for the record, I frequently pray in tongues. However, I believe they are real human languages even though I don't understand them. The definition you give is an interesting idea, but ideas must be tested by Scripture. The Scriptures are very clear in Acts 2:4-11 that the disciples were empowered by the Holy Spirit to "speak in other tongues" and that Jews from various other countries heard them "in our own tongues speaking of the mighty deeds of God." The power of the Spirit was upon the speakers, not the hearers. The worship of God in various languages given by the Spirit at Pentecost clearly consisted of real human languages that could be recognized and understood by those around them. In 1 Cor 14, Paul says that there are "a great many kinds of languages in the world" (1 Cor 14:10). These are also earthly tongues. He goes on to say that tongues are used for praise, blessing, and thanksgiving (1 Cor 14:16). He also stresses the importance of the ungifted or unbeliever understanding the language being spoken in order for edification to take place (1 Cor 14:16-17,23). The idea that the gift of tongues includes giving of a specific "heavenly language" is not a biblical concept and has no clear example in the Scriptures. The most detailed examples of both practice and teaching regarding tongues clearly connect Spirit-enabled tongues with human languages. There may be a question in both your and my minds regarding how those from every people, tongue, tribe, and nation will communicate and worship together before the throne -- whether in a common language, through ability to understand tongues, or some other method. However, God has not chosen for the Scriptures to deal with this question, so we must finally leave it unanswered for now. The Scriptures have higher authority than whatever teacher told you that the gift of tongues equates with praying in a heavenly language, no matter how convincing s/he was. I would suggest asking for clear biblical observations to back up such suggestions. I don't believe any will be forthcoming. The Bible must ALWAYS be the authority in such questions. |
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