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1 | Do we tithe on our net or gross? | Mal 3:8 | jlpangilinan | 22617 | ||
I am not mentioned that tithe is wrong in the Old Testament. They required to give, it is a very important part of Jewish religion: TITHE he first Mosaic law on this subject is recorded in Le 27:30-32. Subsequent legislation regulated the destination of the tithes (Nu 18:21-24,26-28; De 12:5-6,11,17; 14:22-23). The paying of the tithes was an important part of the Jewish religious worship. In the days of Hezekiah one of the first results of the reformation of religion was the eagerness with which the people brought in their tithes (2Ch 31:5-6). The neglect of this duty was sternly rebuked by the prophets (Am 4:4; Mal 3:8-10). Tithe is included in the law of Moses, and the law cannot justify us. Ac 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Why keep doing the things that cannot justify us? If really want to observe one part of the law you must observed it at all. We have to be consistent, We are ready to exclude the law of moses, why not the tithe. We are not observing the law of circumscision, kiliing of animals for our sins, why we occurse those things except tithe? My challenge to you now is can you show me if Jesus Christ include tithes in His teaching. Show me if Jesus required His desciple to give thier titges to Him. Or He made himself an example of doing so. If the tithe or (ten percent of income) is important, I am sure that Jesus Christ will require Himself to do it. We know that baptism is important, it is include in Christ teaching. Just to show us that it is important He required himself, He asked John to baptize Him. Guidelines of giving that taught for the Christians is goes Love, Grace, and Charity. 2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. There is no required amount, it is not mentioned of how much you can give, but of how much you love to give. If you heart allows you to give more 10 or 20 percent to the church it is acceptable to God. God love a cheerful giver. But there is no required amount, it never mentioned that it should be 10 percent of your income or whatsoever. Just to show some example: t 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.3 Scribes are very strick in collecting tithe, but Jesus Christ tell to them? Another example: Mr 12:42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. 42. Mr 12:43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: This is a very clear example of love offering. She gave everything porposes of her heart, but there is no required amount. Now, if can show me that Jesus Christ taught to any person and require them to give it to Him, I would agree that tithing is right guidelines of giving for us Christians. God bless, Johnny |
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2 | Do we tithe on our net or gross? | Mal 3:8 | Appleseed | 22658 | ||
Good morning Johnny, Last night as I was doing my nightly reading (been reading Luke this week), guess what I read? On tithing (coincidence? I don't believe in coincidences). Here is a passage where Jesus said we need to tithe. "But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." (Luke 11:42). Jesus confirms that they need to tithe without leaving the others undone. A tithe means 10percent, anything above 10percent is an offering. God told everyone to tithe, rich and poor. Tithing is not for God's benefit or the Pastors benefit but for our benefit. When I started tithing 10percent. I was going into debt every month. It was not the tithe but my life style that pushed me over (I could only afford 2percent tithe - This was the first place I wanted to cut :o)). In 7months I came out of debt, literally supernaturally. Nothing I did differently except start tithing 10percent, not 8percent or 2percent. God is very particular, remember how detailed Jesus was when He fed the multitude (sit down in 50's etc.). In the same way the amount 10percent is very significant (we don't know all God's reasoning behind 10percent. God did not just decide on 10 for no reason). Yes, when we give God looks at the heart. So I wouldn't challenge God's 10 (tithe) by giving 2percent, and then telling God that this is my "tithe". It would be very easy to justify why I can only give 2 with worldly logic. But God knows everything. If we really get down to it, do we have to drive that car, live in that house, or eat that food? "seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you." (Matt. 6:33). I pray that the LORD reveals this to you In the Living Vine |
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3 | Do we tithe on our net or gross? | Mal 3:8 | jlpangilinan | 22800 | ||
I dont think so. Jesus did not mentioned that he required everyone to give 10 percent, but the purposes of the heart. The verse that you quoted is really strict to the scribes because we know that time they very strick on the tihting and leave other most important teaching of God which included in the two great commandments. To give some example: Mt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Jesus Christ mentioned that "He come not to destroy the law but to fulfil it" If for Jesus Christ really fulfilling the law is Just simply observing thithes and sabath and other things the included in the law of Moses why He not submit himself of doing it. He never pay tithe to anyone nor He reuired His desciples to give tithe to Him. He is God He got all the reason to collect the tithe right? The reasons of the Pastors today of collecting tithes because it is for God. My question is why Jesus Christ didntdo it. Baptism is a important things, would you agree? Jesus Christ would like us to emphasise how important it is. What did He do He required himself to be baptize to set an example to us, He asked John to baptized Him, He made Himself an example. My question to you now is if tithe really important guidelines or whatsoever, why Jesus Christ not required Himself to do what He like to do of His people. Tithe is included in the Law of Moses or even before the law given to Moses. Ac 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Please show me that tithe is not included in the law of moses and I would agree. It mentioned there in that passages that, Law of Moses "cannot Justified us" Why keep doing the things that cannot Justified us? If we are really want to observe one of the laws, why only the tithes we must observe all part of the law so we are consistent. Let me use your quoted verses for me: Lu 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. If you read it carefully we have to be consistent of doing every part of the law, and not to leave other undone. If you just observe the tithe and not other laws it is the same that you leave other undone. Why we keep observing the tithe if we cannot observe laws like circumscision, killing animals for our sin, observing sabbath carefully stoned people to death if they do anything in sabbath, why we are not consistent? We have a new guideline of giving, and there is no required amount, but what is purposes of the heart. Just answers all my questions, and I would agree. God bless, Johnny |
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4 | Do we tithe on our net or gross? | Mal 3:8 | Appleseed | 22926 | ||
The purpose of the heart is to follow the Word of God because we love Him. Jesus has given us the freedom through Him, it does not mean we need to ignore the Words of the prophets. Where did Jesus say that we are not to tithe? He did not. Where did Paul say we are not to tithe? He did not. We must not get hung on the law of Moses because tithe was before then (therefore not the root and therefore cannot be cut down). 2 examples were given; Jacob and Abraham who tithed, which were before Moses. A valuable lesson that I was taught a long time ago. Becareful of those who take one verse and build a mountain on it. What do I mean? If I had to tell you, which number follows this sequence, 1? Who knows it could be anything 1 or 1000 or -2. If I said, which number follows this sequence, 3, 9? It could be 3 plus6 equals 9 therefore 9 plus 6 equals 15 or it could be multiples of 3, 3,9,27 or it could be 3,9,3 or it could be 3,9,81 etc. So even with two numbers in series the truth cannot be determined. What happens if there are a string of number like 3,9,27,81? the next one can be determined easierly. If you really get down to it, there are more supporting tithe than not. Thanks for the insights anyway. This is my last response on this topic. One day we can ask the Lord in Heaven. :-). Love in Christ |
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