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1 | Was this passage fulfilled B4 Christ? | Ex 23:25 | Searcher56 | 146873 | ||
Lissa, I do see Jesus in Esther and Job ... and in the whole Bible. But my question was how did Jesus fulfill what was written in these books. My main point is the promises Exodus 23 were not fulfilled by Him, because they have been already, as well as Genesis 13:14-15. There also is the genelogy of Cain (Gen 4:17-22) ... and the promises later on (Deut 28:15ff). Your claim "Are you really trying to say that the OT promises are not fulfilled in Christ? Because if so, your analysis and conclusion is total heresy" is not completely true. I have shown you a few examples where He didn't fulfill what was said. Searcher |
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2 | Was this passage fulfilled B4 Christ? | Ex 23:25 | Lissamz | 146874 | ||
Question: "How do I know which of God's promises are for me?" Answer: To frame this question another way, “How can one tell the difference between general promises and specific promises?” A general promise is one that is given by the Holy Spirit to every believer in every age. When the author penned the promise, he set no limitation on time period or recipient. An example of a general promise is 1 John 1:9, “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” This promise is based on the forgiving nature of God and is available to all believers, everywhere. Another example of a general promise is Philippians 4:9, “The peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.” This promise is made to all believers who, refusing to worry, bring their requests to God (verse 8). Other examples of general promises include Psalm 1:3; 27:10; 31:24; John 4:13-14 (note the word whosoever); and Revelation 3:20. A specific promise is one that is made to specific individuals on specific occasions. The context of the promise will usually make it clear who is the intended recipient. For example, the promise of 1 Kings 9:5 is very specific: “I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel forever.” The preceding verses make it clear that the Lord is speaking only to Solomon. Luke 2:35 is another specific promise: “A sword shall pierce through thy own soul also.” This prophecy/promise was directed to Mary and was fulfilled in her lifetime. While a specific promise is not made to all believers generally, the Holy Spirit can still use a specific promise to guide or encourage any of His children. For example, the promise of Isaiah 54:10 was written with Israel in mind, but the Holy Spirit has used these words to comfort many Christians today: “My kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of My peace be removed.” As he was led to take the gospel to the Gentiles, the Apostle Paul claimed the promise of Isaiah 42:6-7: “I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth” (see Acts 13:47). Isaiah’s promise was originally meant for the Messiah, but in it Paul found guidance from the Lord for his own life. When claiming a promise from scripture, keep the following principles in mind: 1) Promises are often conditional. Look for the word if in the context. 2) God gives us promises to help us better accomplish His will. A promise does not make God bend to our will. 3) Do not assume to know when, where, or how the promise will be fulfilled in your life. -taken directly from GotQuestions.org God may use any promises "in a spiritual sense" to personally speak to believers personally, in their personal relationship with the Lord Jesus. You cannot "in general" confirm or dismiss a(ny) promises that another receives from the Word of God. That's why we have a PERSONAL relationship with the LORD. Also, I was not speaking necessarily about every 'specific' promise in the OT as being fulfilled by Jesus, but to the OT seen in it's entirety. The OT, overall, points us to Christ Jesus. I hope I cleared up any misunderstanding and made my point perfectly clear. |
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3 | Was this passage fulfilled B4 Christ? | Ex 23:25 | DocTrinsograce | 146879 | ||
Hi, Lissamz... Good stuff there in your post! Very valuable rules of thumb for the understanding of scriptural promises. Making your "point perfectly clear" is quite important. Foggy points can be misunderstood. What might be worse, is if the truth is not clearly stated and someone walks away believing a falsehood! Would you expand a bit on God using promises to "personally speak to believers?" You are talking about application of a scripture, I believe. You do not mean that the same passage of scripture can mean different things to different people. Am I correctly characterizing what you are saying? Thank you, again, for your contributions. In Him, Doc |
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4 | Was this passage fulfilled B4 Christ? | Ex 23:25 | Lissamz | 146881 | ||
Greetings Doc, Sure I'll expand..."Personally speaking to believers" I define as such. (I'm using myself as an example :-) God spoke to me a couple of weeks ago through a portion of Judges 6:26 "...build an altar to the LORD your God on the top of this stronghold in an orderly manner." This was actually more of a command, now that I think about it, but continuing...There were some issues in my immediate family, that I was being tempted to fall into (complaining and grumbling to be specific), but through this passage the Lord showed me that He wanted me to build an altar of sacrifice of thanksgiving and praise in my mind and in front of my family members, instead of falling into line with them. Now, for promises that personally speak to believers as a whole...(whew, there are so many), but one of my favorites is 2 Thess. 2:13 "But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth." And I don't think that this promise can be 'explained or interpreted' any other way other than the way it is presented in the Word. And, more so even, the command to "But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh." (Gal. 5:16) is just that- a COMMAND, no personal interpretation needed. And personal application is simple, with no needed "frillys"- Walk by the Spirit. I believe strongly that reading Scripture is one thing- Applying it in our lives is a totally different ballpark. Heb. 2:4 in the NIV says "For we also have had the gospel preached to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith." |
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5 | Was this passage fulfilled B4 Christ? | Ex 23:25 | DocTrinsograce | 146883 | ||
Dear Lissa, Thank you for the explanation. Although my tradition would handle all of that somewhat differently, it might well have come out with the same effect. In other words, I'm comfortable with your approach. :-) There is a short aphorism that states what you are saying, "There is only one interpretation, but there are many applications." Thank you for your time, sister. In Him, Doc |
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6 | Was this passage fulfilled B4 Christ? | Ex 23:25 | Lissamz | 146885 | ||
Amen to that! LORD bless and keep you, brother. | ||||||