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1 | EdB, Is promise here for believers today | Ex 23:25 | EdB | 146784 | ||
Mitch There are three kinds of promises found in the Bible. Specific, conditional and unconditional. A specific promise is made to a person, nation, or group of people. A conditional promise is made with a condition that must be met. An unconditional is a general promise not made to specific person or people and carries no condition. God made many promises of all three genre, when we find a promise of God we must decide which of the three it is. God made many promises to Abraham one of them being his children would be God’s children. This is a specific promise made to Abraham. Paul is saying in Gal 3:29 we as adopted heirs with Jesus are also children of promise, that was promised to Abraham. Now the verse Ex 23:25 makes a promise it is a conditional and a specific promise. The condition is the children of Israel must obey God. But it is also specific in that it was made to Israel at that specific time and to them alone. They didn’t fulfill their part of the deal obeying God thus God allowed all those things come into their lives that he promised he wouldn’t. We know now they couldn’t keep the promise as such because Romans tells all men sin and fall short. Our righteousness is found only in Christ who’s blood covers our transgressions. How if your saying it applies to all righteous of God then as Christians because we are in Christ Jesus today can never get sick or have a miscarriage in our family for if we do then we must not be righteous in Christ therefore we must not be saved. See how convoluted this becomes? Now my dear friend I and others have tried to show you your error. If you don’t want to accept what we are saying that is fine, that is your choice. However understand the position your taking is outside orthodox Christianity. It has been carefully considered by those that are charged with making such calls. They have declared this teaching without valid Scriptural support and therefore is to be consider false teaching. It’s origins have been traced back to teachings that even you would disagree with and has been simply whitewashed, cleaned up and made palatable to those looking for answers but refuse to seek the leading of the Holy Spirit in seeking those answers. This forum is for the study of the Bible not the perpetuation of falsehoods. I personally see no reason to discuss this with you any further. Be blessed and I pray your questions will be answered one day in such a way you will then understand what I'm saying to you. Until then keep searching and remember there are those of us on the forum that have walked where your now walking and we are here for you if you ever need us. EdB |
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2 | Who is Israel? | Ex 23:25 | yayatheresa | 146791 | ||
What scripture do you give to support your stand here and in your response to me? If I am counted in the sight of God as Israel, or as scripture refers to me often, the seed of Abraham, then I can count this blessing as mine. I also have to meet the same condition that is given. I have to serve the Lord God. Your response to Mitch on this seemed convoluted to me. He in no way indicated that to receive the blessing you would not have to also meet the condition. The post by Moran61 said this Gal 3:29 is only about Jesus the seed . It doesn’t say that at all. It says if we be Christ’s (belong to Christ) then we are Abraham’s seed. And because we are Abraham’s seed we are HEIRS. You admit it says we are the children of promise but again I emphasize it doesn’t stop at that it says we are also heirs. I would like to know more about unconditional promises. The only thing I can think of right now is God’s love is unconditional and I also guess we can count God’s promise not to destroy the earth with water again. I am not disputing you on this but I would like scripture for your statement that I can learn from. I will also need you to tell me with scripture where the blessings of the Old Covenant stopped being in effect. Or if you consider any of it pertinent to us today what part? Lastly this may have to be my last post. I am one of those many would call “name it and claim it” “blab it and grab it” I highly esteem the teaching and ministries of Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, and other ministries of this type. Do you consider their doctrine false and unorthodox Christianity? They teach what I am saying here and what Mitch seems to have been trying to say. If so I will obey the rules of the site moderators and leave in love. But you will not have a well balanced forum. :) Here are some of the scripture I stand on that tell me I am Abraham’s seed and heir of the blessings: Rom 2:28-29 “For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God” Rom 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, Rom 9:6-8 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children but, In Isaac shall they seed be called. That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. Gal 3:26-29 For ye are the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bon nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Theresa |
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3 | Who is Israel? | Ex 23:25 | Searcher56 | 146798 | ||
Theresa, The blessing/ promise (singular) you are an heir of is ... Jesus Christ and by Him eternal life. Read EdB's post 146784, posted Sat 03/26/05, 12:48am. While the church is grafted into Israel (Rom 11), Israel is Israel and the church is the church. There are promises, penalties (consequences) and prophecies for each and both. DO NOT claim promises, penalties (consequences) and prophecies that are not yours ... nor ever claim one OUT OF CONTEXT, including skipping over the penalties (consequences). Searcher |
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