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1 | Why worship on resurrection day? | Ex 20:10 | Scott P | 140394 | ||
Just wondering where in the N.T is say's anything about worshipping on the day of or celebrating Christ's resurrection and that the apostles ever did that. The only thing I know Jesus telling us to do in rememberence of him is in Luke 22:19 which is holy communion. Celebrating his birth and resurrection are all man made traditions. Jesus obviously rested on the seventh day Sabbath after his crucifixion then woke up the first day of the week and went back to work. ??? | ||||||
2 | Why worship on resurrection day? | Ex 20:10 | MJH | 140402 | ||
Jesus instituted the Holy Communion during Passover and said to do "this" in remembrance of me. The question is, what does "this" refer to? If it refers to Passover, then possibly we have been getting it wrong. I will allow others to debate this with you and me, but I believe that we ought to celebrate Passover and do it in remembrance of Jesus. It's quite amazing how much of Passover reflects Jesus, even the way the Jews do it today. The early church DID celebrate Passover, and debated in the 180's AD whether it should be done on the traditional Passover day, or the Sunday following. Rome said Sunday, and Jerusalem said the traditional day. Rome almost excommunicated Jerusalem, but cooler heads prevailed, and they lived in peace for a while. But they both seem to have celebrated Passover in connection with the Lords resurrection. Certainly the Apostles celebrated Passover and connected it with the Lord's Resurrection. To believe otherwise is absurd. They were Jewish and Acts shows Paul eager to return to Jerusalem before Shavuot (Pentecost) to celebrate it in Jerusalem. Celebrating Jesus birth is man made; though I think a good man made tradition. Celebrating his Resurrection was not man made, but commanded by Jesus Himself. Easter was not a word even used, nor imagined to be used in connection with Jesus Resurrection until the 4th century when that pagan spring fertility celebration was mixed with the Holy Passover. I believe one of the greatest tragedies in church history. My family celebrates "resurrection day" and have a separate God honoring "spring celebration" for our girls that we try to tie into the first really nice sunny day to honor God for the seasons and new agricultural season. Our Resurrection Day happens two days (3 if your Jewish) after Passover when ever Passover happens. Then of course we do go to church on "Easter." God Bless you in your search for truth. MJH |
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3 | Why worship on resurrection day? | Ex 20:10 | DocTrinsograce | 140416 | ||
Hi, MJH... We celebrate Passover... on Resurrection Day... at least my family does... and the only spring thing tied into it is to remind us of newness of life in Christ. So I can't fault your conclusion in orthodoxy or orthopraxy. But you rest the verity of your posit on the most tenuous of arguments. (Leaving for a moment the question of the reasonableness of this long-distance antecedent to word "this.") If we got the whole communion thing wrong that means the church got it wrong... which means the early church got it wrong... which means the early church fathers got it wrong... which means Paul got it wrong... which means the apostles got it wrong (or at least didn't explain it to Paul properly). All because at least Paul assumed that the word "this" in 1 Cor 11:25 was to the act of communion. Of course, when Paul used the word "this" maybe the antecedent was waaaaaaaay back yonder in 1 Cor 5:7b. But even then he mentions the word in an ancillary fashion; "for even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us." If the word "this" has Passover as the antecedent, then that's the only Passover available in the entire book. (Indeed, the word only occurs twice outside of the gospels!) If this were the only proof available to me, MJH, I'd be out coloring eggs and picking daffodils! (No offense intended!) With your interest in the origins of things, church history, and such. May I recommend a study of something called "the liturgical year?" (Some of the more "high church" of our brethren will recognize this immediately. Our Roman Catholic friends will also know about it.) Someone, over a millenia ago, spent a huge amount of effort to fit the teaching of the Christ's life and ministry into the calendar. They actually did a brilliant job of it, too. I've never been able to find the name anyone... I think that brother is buried in the dust of history. Anyway, you're the kind of person who might be able to glean a lot of value for us all from such a study. It might also help you understand some of the reasons that the early church did what they did regarding holidays (i.e., "holy days"). Keep digging, bud... but I really encourage you to always present your strongest argument first -- Aristotle not withstanding. Otherwise you are going to lose people before you even get to your conclusion. In Him, Doc |
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4 | Why worship on resurrection day? | Ex 20:10 | Emmaus | 140448 | ||
Doc, Here are some sources for information on the Liturgical Calendar and its history. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03158a.htm http://www.ewtn.com/vlibrary/search2.asp Emmaus |
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5 | Why worship on resurrection day? | Ex 20:10 | DocTrinsograce | 140452 | ||
Thank you, Emmaus... Those are very interesting! There are some interesting variations from the Greek Orthodox standpoint at http://www.goarch.org/en/ourfaith/articles/article7118.asp (I'm still trying to figure out the distinctives between Western, Eastern, and African Church theologies and traditions.) The Lutheran Missouri Synod and German Lutheran Churches also have some very scholarly and up to date discussions of the Liturgical Calendar. They have some fascinating discussions of the use of color for each day of the year. In recent years, some of the Presbyterian's have been "rediscovering" the Liturgical Calendar. Its interesting reading their own discussions on the matter. I wonder what Thomas Cranmer made of all this as he worked through it from the Anglican perspective? This is all pretty high-church for this old Baptist, but... its interesting to try to discern the intent of the first millennial believers who started putting this all together. Thanks again... and Merry Christmas! |
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6 | Why worship on resurrection day? | Ex 20:10 | Emmaus | 140455 | ||
Doc, Basically, the first half of the Mass (or Divine Liturgy as it is called in the Eastern Rites and Churches) was know as the Mass of the Catechumens. The prayers and Scripture readings along with the homiies were meant to be instructions in the Christian faith. The Catechumens were dismissed after the homily. The second half of the Mass was called the Mass of the Faithfull and only baptized Christians were allowed to stay and partake of the Eucharist. That is a very simiplified version. The details and uniformity of the Scripture readings for the particular seasons and feast days were worked out over cenbturies. But we still have many of the homilies of the ealry Church Fathers and can tell a lot about the feast days and the Scripture readings for those days from their homilies. Today the first half of the Mass is called the Liturgy of the Word and the Second half, the Liturgy of the Eucharist. In some parishes the Catechumens or those learing the Catholic faith, are disnmissed for further instruction and discussion of the Scripture readngs after the homily. In other parishes they are allowed to stay throutgh the Liturgy of the Eucharist and then go for further instruction, but are not allowed to receive Communion. Now that we live in a Neo-Pagan age were are reverting to the teaching styles of the Church in the original Pagan age. Merry Christmas to you and your family. Emmaus |
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