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1 | How is Adam "Ancient of Days"? | Dan 7:9 | BMasterT | 93802 | ||
How is Adam truly the "Ancient of Days"? My curiousity is sparked! | ||||||
2 | How is Adam "Ancient of Days"? | Dan 7:9 | Pastor Glenn | 93803 | ||
BMasterT, Perform a bible search for the words "Ancient" and "Days". You get the following 3 verses: Daniel 7:9 "I watched till thrones were put in place, And the Ancient of Days was seated; His garment was white as snow, And the hair of His head was like pure wool. His throne was a fiery flame, Its wheels a burning fire; Daniel 7:13 "I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him. Daniel 7:22 until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom. Now read the context of Daniel 7 to find any indication of "Adam". Pastor Glenn |
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3 | How is Adam "Ancient of Days"? | Dan 7:9 | gbennett76 | 93811 | ||
WHO IS THE ANCIENT OF DAYS? Daniel 7:13 "I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him. --"The Ancient of Days" Cannot be Jesus Christ: In the last days, the Son of Man descends in clouds (a familiar description of Christ at his Second Coming) and meets the Ancient of Days, receiving the kingdoms of this world. So the "Ancient of Days" cannot be Jesus. --"The Ancient of Days" Cannot Be God the Father: Most commentaries assume that the "Ancient of Days" (Daniel 7:9-10 and 13-14) refers to God the Father. However, the "Ancient of Days" is unlikely to represent God the Father for the following reasons: Ever since the Arian controversy died down, the major creeds have said that God the Father and Jesus Christ are the same person. So if the Ancient of Days is the Father, then the major creeds are wrong. Thus they have only a shallow understanding of the nature of the Father and the Son, and thus their interpretation of unusual passages like this is so flawed as to be worthless. There is no reason to describe the Father in terms of great earthly age – He is eternal. The fact that He sits on a throne is not the give-away it seems. The language is similar to that describing the throne in heaven in Revelation 4-5. But although God sits on such a throne, so does Christ and so do the redeemed (Revelation 3:21). Similarly, the fact that millions minister or attend to him does not mean that they worship him in the way that millions worship God in in Revelation 5:11. In fact, the NIV text note refers the reader to the reference to the tens of thousands credited to David in 1 Samuel 18:7. The presence of 100 million people does not prove the presence of God – after all, there as twice that number at the battle of Armageddon (Revelation 9:16). Perhaps significant is the fact that the throne in Daniel has wheels – usually associated with angels (Ezekiel 1:15-21), not with God. There is no other reference to our Father residing on earth when Jesus returns, which would have to be such an important event that it would surely be mentioned in other prophecies. --So Who is "The Ancient of Days"? Whoever this person is, he is identified by his great age. Who is the most ancient person we know of? Could it be Abraham, described as the father of many nations, so the idea of millions attending him would be appropriate? No, there is one person more ancient than Abraham (or any mortal), and more significant to the human family. One person was there at the very beginning and would be very appropriate at the very end. One person in all scripture is compared directly with Christ (1 Corinthians 15:45-47). Only one being (besides God) would have a natural right to hand over the kingdoms of this world – the literal father of them all. The simplest identity to give the Ancient of Days is our father Adam. --The Importance of Adam: The idea that God chose a loser for the most important role in creation (second only to the atonement) is silly. The idea (promoted by many "Christian" churches) that Adam spoiled God's original plan (for one man and one woman to live in Eden forever) is crazy. Did God really intend this whole planet for just two people? No, God's plan demanded that Adam eat that fruit. That is why He prepared a Saviour "before the foundation of the world" (1 Peter 1:20). Adam did what God intended, and will be blessed for it. |
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4 | How is Adam "Ancient of Days"? | Dan 7:9 | Pastor Glenn | 93824 | ||
gbennett76, You should post your source of information. My source is the bible: Psalm 24 1 The earth is the LORD's, and all its fullness, The world and those who dwell therein. God does not need a fallen man to hand over anything to Him. It is already His. "God's plan demanded that Adam eat that fruit. That is why He prepared a Saviour "before the foundation of the world" (1 Peter 1:20). Adam did what God intended, and will be blessed for it." If I could see the future and see that my son will fall out of my boat, I would be sure to prepare a life line to pull him in. But just because I prepared for the worst, boes not at all imply that I planned the worst. "Ever since the Arian controversy died down, the major creeds have said that God the Father and Jesus Christ are the same person. So if the Ancient of Days is the Father, then the major creeds are wrong. Thus they have only a shallow understanding of the nature of the Father and the Son, and thus their interpretation of unusual passages like this is so flawed as to be worthless. " This is a straw man argument. The creeds say that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Sirit are not the same person. The are one God, but are eternally distinct. "Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;..." (Gen 1:26a) indicates more than one person, while also only one God. Rev 4 9Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever, 10the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying: 11"You are worthy, O Lord,[7] To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist[8] and were created." Rev 20 11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. |
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