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1 | Why two tablets ??? | Is 33:22 | swerv | 152596 | ||
Doc: I agree - I will pose some question from my prior note. I will follow-up on your note shortly but do not have time now but wanted to thank you for great respose. But I think we both agree that I am not saving that God's grace does not exist or work prior to a willful choice to accept that grace. My major point on grace is that we must choose to accept the grace and act upon it by repenting. But God's grace is not going to saved an unwilling heart. Also I am not "anti-Christian" in what I said about Jesus. Jesus's act of his death is what atones or "saves" us. But unless we accept this we cannot be saved. This was my point. God could of it he wanted too - make an ark big enough to fit all mankind but He did not ask Noah to do this -- WHY !! God knew the hearts of the wicked and unrepentive people !! Noah spread the work of the flood but he could not save them unless they wanted to get in. I hope we are clear now on my points of grace and Jesus "saves". I will provide the scriptures you wanted shortly and add new threads. Merv |
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2 | Why two tablets ??? | Is 33:22 | DocTrinsograce | 152620 | ||
"Then who can be saved?" Jesus looked at them and said, "With man it is impossible, but not with God. For all things are possible with God." (Mark 10:26-27) He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven." (Matt 15:16-17) "Grant what thou commandest and then command what thou wilt." --Saint Agustine "If any man doth ascribe of salvation, even the very least, to the free will of man, he knoweth nothing of grace, and he hath not learnt Jesus Christ aright." --Martin Luther "The will is not destroyed but rather repaired by grace." --John Calvin "To suppose that whatever God requireth of us that we have power of ourselves to do, is to make the cross and grace of Jesus Christ of none effect." --John Owen "Man is nothing: he hath a free will to go to hell, but none to go to heaven, till God worketh in him to will and to do his good pleasure" --George Whitefield "The greatest judgment which God Himself can, in this present life, inflict upon a man is, to leave him in the hand of his own boasted free-will." --Augustus Toplady "Free will carried many a soul to hell, but never a soul to heaven." --C.H. Spurgeon "Champions of the will's self-determination [to believe the gospel] preclude themselves by their premises from ariving at any ultimate answer to why we find ourselves disposed to will in the way that we do. Proponents of God's absolute sovereignty over the will, conversely, are prepared to attribute our malign dispositions to sin, and even those, like our better dispositions, ultimately to God." --Donald J. Westblade "Definition of free will: "The power to choose according to one's strongest motive, nature and character." In the unregenerate, to freely choose evil. In the regenerate, to freely choose God and the good." --Byron Curtis |
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3 | Why two tablets ??? | Is 33:22 | swerv | 152786 | ||
Hi Doc: I appreciate the quotes but this is my problem: Many doctrines have been developed within Christianity based on human understanding. I do not say this includes you - but I am going to come to find "truth" by "reasoning" the scriptures. I would be the first to admit that I read interpretations by others but in the course of our discussion I suggest we stick to "reasoning" the controversial scriptures. How do understand 2 Peter 3:9, Ezekiel 18:32, Jeremiah 13:23, Revelation 22:17. These verse are absolutely clear that God will not control our free will to love Him. It is just like our human relationships - a person cannot control our heart. Just like the Pharisees they could outwardly show obedience to God but their hearts were hardened. We have a free choice !!!! God "can" but He will not control our love. Now of course once we do "freely" choose to follow Him then He will lead us to make good choices and avoid sin. In love, Merv |
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4 | Why two tablets ??? | Is 33:22 | DocTrinsograce | 152838 | ||
Dear Merv, Human understanding is what we've got, buddy. God gave it to us. He also gave us the Word, pastors, elders, teachers, and one another. Plus a long rich history of deliberation of the Word of God. If you chuck out human understanding, then why even post any position at all? Don't you assume that I will understand your posts based on my "human reasoning?" You can't use human reasoning to throw out huma reasoning! :-) "Divisions and separations are most objectionable in religion. They weaken the cause of true Christianity ...But before we blame people for them, we must be careful that we lay the blame where it is deserved. False doctrine and heresy are even worse than schism. If people separate themselves from teaching that is positively false and unscriptural, they ought to be praised rather than reproved. In such cases separation is a virtue and not a sin." --J. C. Ryle "Men today do not, perhaps, burn the Bible, nor does the Roman Catholic Church any longer put it on the Index, as it once did. But men destroy it in the form of exegesis: they destroy it in the way they deal with it. They destroy it by not reading it as written in normal, literary form, by ignoring its historical-grammatical exegesis, by changing the Bible's own perspective of itself as propositional revelation in space and time, in history..." --Francis Schaeffer Why should I deliberate with you over the verses you have cited since you have not bothered to deliberate with me over the verses that I have cited? In Him, Doc |
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