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1 | Destiny of created beings | Is 14:12 | Finder | 186203 | ||
I have a question that I tried to ignore for a long time, but now I can't seem to think of any other thing. I am stuck with this one. I don't know how to present it very well but I will try. The best way I can think of formulating this question is asking them to you as if you were in the position of God Himself. Obviously you are not God. But I am not good with words and it seems the clearest way I can formulate this question. And I divided it by parts because I wouldn't be able to state the whole question in a single paragraph. 1 - If you had a son, would you present an opportunity for him to betray you, so that you could know what is in his heart, or you would just be concerned in providing to him convenient opportunities to strengthen his relationship with you? (God put the prohibited fruit in the Garden of Eden). 2 - Worse now. Would you allow a complete evil being like Satan, to go to this Garden and deceive your son? (Although here, Eve was deceived, not Adam). But nonetheless, offer the opportunity for him to be corrupted, and a stranger, and an enemy? Would you offer such a terrifying opportunity to your son? 3 - Would you allow Satan to be loose, tempting other angels and ruling the world, knowing that he came to steal, kill and destroy for as long as the world would last? 3 b - What right did Satan acquire to be allowed to exercise such freedom and power to proliferate evil, offence, destruction and oppression? 4 - Would you allow Satan to come to your presence? What would you owe Satan, to let him be in your presence trying to offend you and destroy your creation? 5 - Would you create beings that came from the loins of Adam that would have no option but to be naturally your enemies, born in corruption, and dead in their sinful nature? 5 b - Is it "sympathetic" for any human being to be born with no other chance but that of being sinful, evil, from sinful parents, in a sinful and cursed world, ruled by an evil being like Satan, not having any idea about what Adam experienced in the Garden of Eden? 5 c - Would it be just a question of mere DNA that human beings would be forced to be born in this fallen and miserable condition without having, each one of them, the first chance to choose from God or the fruit of the tree of Good and Evil in the Garden as Adam had? 5 d - Couldn't human beings be born as independent individuals, like angels, and have the opportunity to make their individual choices to follow God or not, instead of being forced to be born already dead spiritually, to live in a cursed world? Thank you for your attention. Finder |
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2 | Destiny of created beings | Is 14:12 | DocTrinsograce | 186205 | ||
Dear Finder, There are so many flawed fundamental presuppositions behind your objects that dealing with the objections themselves would be pointless. Have you ever thought of getting yourself a good solid systematic theology, and working through what all of Scripture actually has to say regarding creation, theonomy, anthropology, theology proper, hamartiology, soteriolgy, etc.? It is clear from your ruminations that you aren't reading. All of these things are discussed, reasoned through, and studied with incredible thoroughness long before we were born! There's golden knowledge in them there mountains of books! In Him, Doc |
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3 | Destiny of created beings | Is 14:12 | Finder | 186282 | ||
Thanks Doc, The words,"theonomy, anthropology, theology proper, hamartiology, soteriolgy,etc" sound too esoteric for my level and I do not have money now to buy a single piece of paper and an envelope to try to send a letter to heaven with my questions, "so to speak". I just took the time I should use for looking for a job now asking this question because I can't stop thinking about it. I thought a forum might explain why the Devil stepped in between me and God. And if my reasoning seems flawed to you, I can't do better. I can see by the mountain of golden books you mentioned and read, that you are in a much higher level of education than me and it seems that it would be useless for me to try to expect that some crumbs might fall from your golden table for me to eat. But I do thank you for showing how things work. Finder |
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4 | Destiny of created beings | Is 14:12 | DocTrinsograce | 186283 | ||
Dear Finder, The vast majority are on the Internet... which would cost no more than whatever it costs you to come onto SBF. Do a search on the word: theodicy. Here's a good start: http://gospelpedlar.com/articles/God/god_evil.html In Him, Doc |
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5 | Possibility of finding reliable source | Is 14:12 | Finder | 186284 | ||
Dear Doc, Thank you for your suggestions. But how am I going to be able to identify which source on the Web is reliable concerning the views on Theodicy? How can absolute truth really be found on this issue? I just read one that used the law of logic to explain his views on Theodicy, and not only it sounded inconsistent and contraditory, but he didn't even substantiate the reasons why his "lógic" was "right" except for some superficial quotations that didn't hold water. I won't even quote them here because I have no interest that it comes to the view of the public. Thank you, Finder |
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6 | Possibility of finding reliable source | Is 14:12 | DocTrinsograce | 186286 | ||
Dear Finder, If God is not a rational being, then any communication with Him is pointless. If you deny logic, then your questions are pointless and any answers to them are doubly pointless. Frankly, the Scripture is relatively impoverished when it comes to the answers to "why" questions. The wisdom books, where you'd expect to find the most such answers, are uniquely barren in this respect -- for example God never does answer Job's "why" question. I suspect that there are three reasons for this: (1) Perhaps it is not our business (Deuteronomy 29:29); (2) perhaps we lack the ability to understand (Isaiah 55:8-9); or -- and this is most likely -- (3) perhaps we really don't want an answer (Isaiah 29:16; 45:9-10), we're simply complaining against and criticizing God. I'm afraid that no one is going or is able to bring all the answers to you, all neat and tidy on a silver platter -- particularly answers with which you will be satisfied. If the answers were easy, you wouldn't find the volume of discussion on the topic for as long as men existed. Furthermore, if you really, truly want answers -- and so far you've resisted any effort to help you obtain them -- you are going to have to do like the rest of us have done: sweat for them. There ARE answers... but you're like a man who expects to be taught how to do brain surgery, but resists starting with High School biology. There are no shortcuts in neurosurgery -- why would we think there might be in Biblical theology? So what is the most kind and encouraging thing I can do for you? Nothing but urge you to go and be about the business of finding. Only then will you find... becoming a "finder," indeed! In Him, Doc "The Sovereignty of God is the stumbling block on which thousands fall and perish; and if we go contending with God about His sovereignty it will be our eternal ruin. It is absolutely necessary that we should submit to God as an absolute sovereign, and the sovereign of our souls; as One who may have mercy on whom He will have mercy and harden whom He will." --Jonathan Edwards |
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7 | Possibility of finding reliable source | Is 14:12 | Morant61 | 186287 | ||
Greetings Doc! Good point my friend! Study is indeed hard work! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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