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1 | Why don't you know for sure? | Eccl 11:6 | DarcyA | 100166 | ||
You either have ETERNAL life or you don't. I don't see anywheres where you have eternal life then you don't its a contradiction if that was the case. Israel was not spared? They seem to be doing fine It is where Jesus will return and set up his kingdom. God isn't in the habit of breaking promises. Israel was/is being punished, but God has not forgotten them or broke the Covenant with them. |
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2 | Why don't you know for sure? | Eccl 11:6 | Reformer Joe | 100179 | ||
"You either have ETERNAL life or you don't. I don't see anywheres where you have eternal life then you don't its a contradiction if that was the case." I agree. "Israel was not spared?" It wasn't obliterated, but it certainly wasn't spared from God's judgment. Ten of the twelve tribes were scattered to the four winds by the Assyrians, for example. The Old Testament shows this, and Jesus accurately prophesies the destruction of the Temple in A.D. 70. "They seem to be doing fine" I wouldn't call generation upon generation of Jews going to hell due to rejection of their Messiah "doing well." "God isn't in the habit of breaking promises." No he isn't, but many of his promises are conditional. In the case of the churches in Revelation, for example, "Israel was/is being punished, but God has not forgotten them or broke the Covenant with them." Of course he hasn't, but most Jews nowadays show themselves to be covenant breakers. While he will always preserve a remnant of Israel, spiritual Israel consists of covenant-keeping Jews (read: Christian Jews) and the Gentiles who have been grafted in (read: Christian Gentiles). Those who will be in hell are not recipients of God's eternal covenant blessings. --Joe! |
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3 | Why don't you know for sure? | Eccl 11:6 | DarcyA | 100212 | ||
...I wouldn't call generation upon generation of Jews going to hell due to rejection of their Messiah "doing well." This statement, I'm not confortable with. I know I could get into a debate on the forum about it. But would rather tnot. I will just say that I am not confotable with it and leave it at that. ...Of course he hasn't, but most Jews nowadays show themselves to be covenant breakers. While he will always preserve a remnant of Israel, spiritual Israel consists of covenant-keeping Jews (read: Christian Jews) and the Gentiles who have been grafted in (read: Christian Gentiles). Those who will be in hell are not recipients of God's eternal covenant blessings. The Jews are promised the Land of Cannon. the Promise was actually given to Abraham God also made the covenant to Himself. If you look back at Genesis God walked through the cut animals alone (This is when Abraham asked God to "prove it" and Abraham had the dream. Abraham never walked through. So technecally speaking Its a Covenant with God. But the way most people view it is Abraham and God who made the covenant with Conditions Abrahams Condition was to leave his home land he did that. When it comes to Hell I believe there is a hell but at the same time I believe there is something we are missing somewheres. I dunno where it is or what it is. For example Jews are given 2 threats they are 1) To be cut off (Kicked out of Israel) 2) To die by the sword. I never see hell as a judgment with them. The New Testement Jesus said about Judas. Its better for him not to have been born. That seems a mild compared to hell. Job wished the same thing in Job. I don't believe in pugatory or anything like that. I just think there is something we are missing and I have no clue what it is. In Christ, Darcy |
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4 | Why don't you know for sure? | Eccl 11:6 | Reformer Joe | 100213 | ||
'The Jews are promised the Land of Cannon. the Promise was actually given to Abraham God also made the covenant to Himself. If you look back at Genesis God walked through the cut animals alone (This is when Abraham asked God to "prove it" and Abraham had the dream. Abraham never walked through. So technecally speaking Its a Covenant with God. But the way most people view it is Abraham and God who made the covenant with Conditions Abrahams Condition was to leave his home land he did that.' I wasn't speaking of the Abrahamic Covenant, but rather the Sinaitic Covenant God made with the liberated Israel. "When it comes to Hell I believe there is a hell but at the same time I believe there is something we are missing somewheres. I dunno where it is or what it is. For example Jews are given 2 threats they are 1) To be cut off (Kicked out of Israel)" To be cut off from God's covenant people means no salvation. We have to remember that hell is much more defined by the Messiah himself, and his warnings of hell were given to his Jewish disciples. The words of John the Baptist to the Jews are also instructive: 'But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, "You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance; and do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham for our father'; for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham. The axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."' --Matthew 3:7-12 Clearly Jewish covenant unfaithfulness was more than geopolitical exile. "The New Testement Jesus said about Judas. Its better for him not to have been born. That seems a mild compared to hell." What Jesus is saying is it would have been better for Judas not to have existed precisely because he will be in hell. --Joe! |
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