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1 | Enter the Dragon! | Gen 3:1 | Jensen | 20020 | ||
Dear Lionstrong...Thanks for your reply. Oh please, I do not subsribe to the Gap Theory. My goodness!!! How did you get that. I am sorry for not being more clear. No, I do not deny Ex 20:11. My goodness again!!! Satan was outside time when he fell. Spirits are not shackled in our time. The spiritual battle rages on for "ages" but the ages are ours. The spiritual battle is, ...timeless. "Nice try, Jensen", you wrote. But I was not trying anything, really. But do you believe that God created evil? Do you not believe that it was the choice of Satan to "fall." A result of his free will. (Did Adam, then, have free will?) I did re-read my post and I am not sure of where we disagree when one considers that I do not deny your interpretation of the Sciptures you offered. My point was simply that our perception of "time" is not the same as how God views time, which is just a small part of His creation in the final analysis. God created time and put us in it. Like a painter is not a part of his painting yet he leaves a little of himself on the canvas, God has left His image, on us. But He is not the picture, He is not in time or concerned with time, at least like we are. He already knows how things will come to pass. He already knows my future and what choices I will make, and the "times" He will pick me up:) The spirit world is outside of time. Mat17:3 "Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus." A long amount of time had passed from the death of Moses to the life of Jesus. But time is not important here. Time is relative. Elijah and Moses were not so old as to be unrecognizable by the apostle. Time had no effect on them the way we would think it should. They were not in their owntime, but "transported" to the time of Jesus. Time is our possession, and not necessarily that of the heavens. Satan could have taken a thousand years to fall if his time was measured by how we understand time. In our time, he fell quickly. But again, so did Adam. Science has demonstrated the effect of gravity on time, God has demonstrated in the above verse that time is relative. As for your main question; You may believe God created evil while I may believe God did not. But that would be our only point of disagreement. Or do we have a disagreement at all :) God Bless....Jensen |
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2 | Enter the Dragon! | Gen 3:1 | Lionstrong | 20036 | ||
"What we have here," Jensen, "is a failure to communicate!" .......... ¶ Since Satan, devils and demons are part of “the rulers, ... the powers, ...the world forces of this darkness, ... the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places" (Eph 6:12), they are part of those beings whose realm is one more of the heavens. These heavens and everything in them were created sometime between the first and the sixth day. (Ex 20:11) ............. ¶ So I don't know what you mean by saying these creatures where created in some other time or some other kind of time. Or are you saying that they were created in THIS time but live in ANOTHER kind of time? Either way, I don’t understand it. The only being that I understand to be outside of time, i.e., eternal, is the eternal God. I do not see how a creature can be outside of time. (Sometimes you said "outside of time," and then you said a time different than ours.) ......... ¶ And in the case of Moses and Elijah, why do you think that “to be absent from the body and present with the Lord” necessarily means that the passage of time changes? It sounds like you think our spirits might show signs of aging while we wait for the resurrection of our bodies! That, also, I do not see. .......... But I enjoy our exchange! ............ ¶ Peace, Lionstrong | ||||||
3 | Enter the Dragon! | Gen 3:1 | Jensen | 20137 | ||
Dear Lionstrong...Peace indeed.. I agree again. "The heavens and everything in them were created sometime between the first and sixth day." There is no "other time" as you have said. Time is our possession as I said. You said, " ...and then you said a time different than ours." But I never wrote that. Take the time now to re-read the post and you will find that I never wrote what you said I did. So I agree, we are having a difficult time communicating. You seem to want to do battle, I want to simply offer an explanation, supported by the science, that time is relative. You said that I sound like I may believe that "spirits might show signs of aging while we wait for the resurrection of our bodies!." But I never wrote that. So again I agree with you. What I have failed to make clear is what time is itself. The science is difficult but it is on our side. It is just a matter of the math. As you may remember, math is an exact science. It is the only exact science. It does not err. Science has shown that, for example, the further you are away from a gravitational pull the faster time will appear to the observer. If you will indulge me I want to offer an illustration. We begin with an astronomer and an astronaut. The astronaut is wearing a wrist watch. The astronomer is in his observatory with his powerful telescope and also has a clock on the wall. Both time pieces read 2:00. The astronaut has blasted off from Earth and is flying thru space towards regions unknown while the astronomer is watching him through his telescope. The astronaut moves further and further away from Earth. The astronomer sees the wristwatch that the astronaut is wearing. It says 2:15. And when he turns to see the clock on his wall he notes that it reads 2:14. As the astronaut moves even further away the scientist gets bored and takes a nap. When he awakes he notes from the clock on his wall that his nap took about 3 hours. It is now 7:00. He decides to check on the astronaut. When he zooms in on the wristwatch it says 7:08. But how could this be? He decides to take a few weeks vacation. After his vacation he once again zooms in on the astronaut to see how he is doing. What he sees is the wristwatch now is spinning. The minute hand is a blur and the hour hand is going very fast indeed. 1, 2, 3, 4 hours on the wristwatch has taken just a few seconds for the scientist to observe. This is the effect of gravity on time first observed by scientists who noticed that two identical atomic clocks were reporting different times. It was just nano-seconds but there was a difference. They did further experiments and repeated them several times. Time is affected by gravity. Meanwhile, back in space, the astronaught takes out his special telescope and looks back at the scientist in his lab. He observes that the scientist is standing still and does not move. He sees that the clock on the wall seems to have stopped or greatly slowed. The astronaught takes a nap. When he awakes 4 hours later, according to his watch, he looks back at the scientist and observes that the scientist has still not moved. Both are in their own time. They both age according to how long they have lived. The astronaut will die of "old age" long before the scientist moves away from his telescope. The scientist will stand on the exact same spot while the astronaut lives a long and healthy life. This is the effect that gravity has on time. Time then is relative. It is not something static that can be measured universally. The time we are in is not the same as the time that our astronaut friend is in. We have performed and observed the experiment. Our understanding of the Laws of Nature (God) has changed because of these observations. It is not something which is in question. I hope that I have not muddled the issue further. I know that what the Bible says is true. All true. But as mere humans with diminished capacity due to the Fall, we leap to embrace the science that shows that the Bible was correct all along. Not for us, but for those who do not believe the Bible but do believe the science...it is a way to equip yourself to be prepared to give an answer for why we have hope. I use science as a witness to the power and glory of our Lord. And then my hearer is more receptive to the Gospel promise. I do not want to battle. My whole problem is my lack of ability to express my ideas clearly. I sometimes will take too much for granted. And now to the nut if you will allow me. Do you, or do you not, believe that God created evil. It is a simple question that you neglected to answer in my earlier reply. The rest of this debate about time can wait. But the meat is in the question. Please reply. God Bless....Jensen |
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4 | Enter the Dragon! | Gen 3:1 | Lionstrong | 20187 | ||
Dear Jensen, I will answer your question by asking you to go back to the top of the thread and discuss the questions I have posted there. Peace, Lionstrong | ||||||
5 | Did God create evil? | Gen 3:1 | Jensen | 20241 | ||
Dear Lionstrong....You know, and I know, and all who read this thread will know, that you are avoiding a very simple question. You do not want to do that and be taken seriously in the future do you? Be bold, be strong, the Lord your God is with you :-) For the third time I ask this question. Do you, or do you not, believe that God created evil (in the form of Satan)? A simple yes or no will do :-) Then we may have some things to discuss if you still want to. God Bless....Jensen |
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6 | Did God create evil? | Gen 3:1 | Lionstrong | 20245 | ||
Dear Jensen, This thread was_STARTED_with MY question. Let's deal with it, (So far it has not been dealt with.) and then we can move on to yours. Peace, Lionstrong |
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