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1 | Adam and Eve, no fall from grace? | Gen 2:16 | Lionstrong | 31697 | ||
You wrote, "All of which takes us away from the original questions you did not answer. Do you believe Adam and Eve thought they could not loose Eden and once we are restored to justification bt Christ do we still have free will as Adam and Eve did?" Emmaus, this was not your original question, and I did answer it. Your original question was: "Do you think Adam and Eve believed in eternal security before the fall?" To which I answered, "The term does not apply to our first parents before the Fall. Since it applies to the security of those who have been saved from the fall, it does not apply to our pre-Fall ancestors." As to our first parents in a state of grace: I agree with Joe, but I think how I defined grace was adequate to demonstrate that Adam and Eve were not in a state of grace before the Fall. As I was using the term, grace is that which is received when the exact opposite is deserved. (Rom 6:23) Grace is used in contrast to that which is due our works. (Rom 11:6) Grace is the "flip-side" of the same coin as mercy, which always accompanies it. (We never receive grace without mercy.) (Tit 3:4-7) Hence, Adam and Eve were not in a state of grace before the Fall, but only after it. Peace, Lionstrong |
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2 | Adam and Eve, no fall from grace? | Gen 2:16 | glory777 | 31719 | ||
Lionstrong- This may cause more questions, but when God created Adam, didn't He make them in His image? Does God need grace? No, after the fall, that is when man needed grace. Prior to that, I agree, grace was not needed. Am I wrong? Grace is not bestowed if there is no need for it. And thank God He bestows it so generously to us who do! Blessings- Debbie |
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3 | Adam and Eve, no fall from grace? | Gen 2:16 | Lionstrong | 31802 | ||
Thanks, Debbie, That was exactly my point. The most commonly used meaning of grace in Scripture always has to do with our need of it, because of our being dead in trespasses and sin. And this grace is never extended without mercy. We, the fallen children of Adam and Eve, need both! They, before they fell, needed niether! Eph 2:1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, Eph 2:2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. Eph 2:3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. Eph 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), Eph 2:6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, Eph 2:7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. Peace, Lionstrong |
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