Prior Chapter | Prior Verse | Next Verse | Next Chapter | Next Book | Viewing NASB and Amplified 2015 | |
NASB | Genesis 2:16 The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "You may freely (unconditionally) eat [the fruit] from every tree of the garden; |
Bible Question:
Lionstong, No fall from grace? You said: "So the Protestant understanding of Scripture is that our first parents were not in a state of grace before the fall. And they did not lose grace in the Fall, because they never had it or needed it before the Fall! " Are there others on this forum that believe this? Did the reformers believe this? Please quote them if they did. Adam and Eve did not fall from grace!? What then did they fall from and what did did Jesus's sacrifice restore? If the creation of Adam and Eve from nothing in immortal bodies and daily face to face fellowship with God as his children is not unmerited favor what is? What did they do before their creation to earn this favor? Did not Jesus restore what was lost? Are we not "new creations" with the promise even of immortal bodies at the resurection? And if fellowship with God as his children was not an unmerited favor and that which was lost and restored, what was lost and what was restored? Were not Adam and Eve and all us us disgraced as a result of what they did? No pun intended. All of which takes us away from the original questions you did not answer. Do you believe Adam and Eve thought they could not loose Eden and once we are restored to justification bt Christ do we still have free will as Adam and Eve did? Emmaus |
Bible Answer: You wrote, "All of which takes us away from the original questions you did not answer. Do you believe Adam and Eve thought they could not loose Eden and once we are restored to justification bt Christ do we still have free will as Adam and Eve did?" Emmaus, this was not your original question, and I did answer it. Your original question was: "Do you think Adam and Eve believed in eternal security before the fall?" To which I answered, "The term does not apply to our first parents before the Fall. Since it applies to the security of those who have been saved from the fall, it does not apply to our pre-Fall ancestors." As to our first parents in a state of grace: I agree with Joe, but I think how I defined grace was adequate to demonstrate that Adam and Eve were not in a state of grace before the Fall. As I was using the term, grace is that which is received when the exact opposite is deserved. (Rom 6:23) Grace is used in contrast to that which is due our works. (Rom 11:6) Grace is the "flip-side" of the same coin as mercy, which always accompanies it. (We never receive grace without mercy.) (Tit 3:4-7) Hence, Adam and Eve were not in a state of grace before the Fall, but only after it. Peace, Lionstrong |