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1 | Adam and Eve, no fall from grace? | Gen 2:16 | Emmaus | 31513 | ||
Lionstong, No fall from grace? You said: "So the Protestant understanding of Scripture is that our first parents were not in a state of grace before the fall. And they did not lose grace in the Fall, because they never had it or needed it before the Fall! " Are there others on this forum that believe this? Did the reformers believe this? Please quote them if they did. Adam and Eve did not fall from grace!? What then did they fall from and what did did Jesus's sacrifice restore? If the creation of Adam and Eve from nothing in immortal bodies and daily face to face fellowship with God as his children is not unmerited favor what is? What did they do before their creation to earn this favor? Did not Jesus restore what was lost? Are we not "new creations" with the promise even of immortal bodies at the resurection? And if fellowship with God as his children was not an unmerited favor and that which was lost and restored, what was lost and what was restored? Were not Adam and Eve and all us us disgraced as a result of what they did? No pun intended. All of which takes us away from the original questions you did not answer. Do you believe Adam and Eve thought they could not loose Eden and once we are restored to justification bt Christ do we still have free will as Adam and Eve did? Emmaus |
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2 | Adam and Eve, no fall from grace? | Gen 2:16 | Lionstrong | 31697 | ||
You wrote, "All of which takes us away from the original questions you did not answer. Do you believe Adam and Eve thought they could not loose Eden and once we are restored to justification bt Christ do we still have free will as Adam and Eve did?" Emmaus, this was not your original question, and I did answer it. Your original question was: "Do you think Adam and Eve believed in eternal security before the fall?" To which I answered, "The term does not apply to our first parents before the Fall. Since it applies to the security of those who have been saved from the fall, it does not apply to our pre-Fall ancestors." As to our first parents in a state of grace: I agree with Joe, but I think how I defined grace was adequate to demonstrate that Adam and Eve were not in a state of grace before the Fall. As I was using the term, grace is that which is received when the exact opposite is deserved. (Rom 6:23) Grace is used in contrast to that which is due our works. (Rom 11:6) Grace is the "flip-side" of the same coin as mercy, which always accompanies it. (We never receive grace without mercy.) (Tit 3:4-7) Hence, Adam and Eve were not in a state of grace before the Fall, but only after it. Peace, Lionstrong |
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3 | Adam and Eve, no fall from grace? | Gen 2:16 | glory777 | 31719 | ||
Lionstrong- This may cause more questions, but when God created Adam, didn't He make them in His image? Does God need grace? No, after the fall, that is when man needed grace. Prior to that, I agree, grace was not needed. Am I wrong? Grace is not bestowed if there is no need for it. And thank God He bestows it so generously to us who do! Blessings- Debbie |
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4 | Adam and Eve, no fall from grace? | Gen 2:16 | Lionstrong | 31802 | ||
Thanks, Debbie, That was exactly my point. The most commonly used meaning of grace in Scripture always has to do with our need of it, because of our being dead in trespasses and sin. And this grace is never extended without mercy. We, the fallen children of Adam and Eve, need both! They, before they fell, needed niether! Eph 2:1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, Eph 2:2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. Eph 2:3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. Eph 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), Eph 2:6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, Eph 2:7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. Peace, Lionstrong |
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