Results 1 - 5 of 5
|
|
|||||
Results from: Answered Bible Questions, Answers, Unanswered Bible Questions, Notes Ordered by Verse | ||||||
Results | Verse | Author | ID# | |||
1 | Do all men belong to God? | Job 33:6 | JCrichton | 132016 | ||
"puts a big hole in the "free will" concept.." Hi, Armond! Are you saying that we were not created with the ability to freely choose to obey God or to reject Him? If so, are we living a farce hoping in vain to be Saved by Christ since only, as some groups claim, a few are actually already saved and the rest are but refuse? What then do you say of Israel, made to have a stubborn heart, mind and spirit so that the Gentiles could enter into God's Grace? Were they rejected forever, reduced to nothingness? For God to exercise His full Power does not denies Creation: image and likeness--ability to choose to Salvation of to reject HIM! God Bless! Angel |
||||||
2 | Do all men belong to God? | Job 33:6 | kalos | 132614 | ||
NOR OF HUMAN DECISION...but born of God Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God -- children born not of natural descent, NOR OF HUMAN DECISION or a husband's will, but born of God. John 1:12-13 :: New International Version (NIV) (Emphasis added.) |
||||||
3 | Do all men belong to God? | Job 33:6 | JCrichton | 132653 | ||
Hi, Kalos! I think that my reply to Hank's post will also satisfy your post: "Hi, Hank! I think that most of the misunderstanding amongst Christians is due to terminologies and definitions... There's an old adage, which I suspect could be found in all languages of the world: "...drowning in a cup of water..." I think that this is so exact when it comes to Christians... we look at the same side of the same coin and still come out with a multitude of interpretations... Clearly, Jesus states that only those who the Father call to Him will come to Him... and that those who come to Him He will not reject... (John 6:37, 44; Matthew 11:27) But human nature runs its course... and not all believed in Jesus nor listened to His Word (John 1:10-13; 3:17-21; 4:48; 5:36; 6:36; 6:64; 8:24; 10:25)… Paul accentuates this phenomenon when he recalls Isaiah’s words (Romans 10:16)… Now, either God allows us to chose Life or to reject Him, by choosing death (Deuteronomy 30:19-20) or He removes our ability to govern our will and we, all humanity, have no choice but to all be saved, since that is His Will (Ezekiel 18:27-32)... otherwise, if we are not all saved, than He is a strange and disturbed god who wills some to life and wills others to death! But Jesus is not strange! Jesus is not disturbed! He made Himself into nothing so that He could rescue all those who would listen to His Holy Spirit and Believe! He took my sin to the Cross, as well as that of all humanity, but just as the example of the ten lepers (Luke 17:12-19), though the RANSOM was paid, not all chose to be made whole! Not to be disagreeable, my friend, but God will not force His Will upon us, in spite of His great Love for us! God Bless! Angel" |
||||||
4 | Do all men belong to God? | Job 33:6 | kalos | 132682 | ||
Angel: Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. Not to be disagreeable, but I'm not sure I understand the reason for the length, breadth and depth of your reply. All I did in my previous post was to quote one verse of Scripture WITHOUT comment. So if there is any disagreemnt it must be with John 1:12-13, because that is the only thing IN my post. Grace to you, Kalos |
||||||
5 | Do all men belong to God? | Job 33:6 | JCrichton | 132826 | ||
""puts a big hole in the "free will" concept.."" Hi, Kalos! When I read your post it seemed to be supporting the original argument presented by Armond888, which claims that we are and do what we do because God Wills it so... his views support the idea that we have no choice but to be saved or damned due to God's predisposition... The Biblical passage you presented seemingly aligns with that theory, seemingly! "Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God -- children born not of natural descent, NOR OF HUMAN DECISION or a husband's will, but born of God. John 1:12-13" As you can observe from your post, quoted above, you, or the Biblical version you employed, emphasized a portion of Scripture which is very important... this of course is a given! But the point emphasized does not take away from a point not emphasized: "Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name," God's Gift is Eternal and all encompassing... but not all choose to receive the Gift! For that reason, Jesus Christ did not claim that He came as ransom for all of humanity, but for "many" (Matthew 20:28)... and at the Temple, the Holy Spirit prophesized through Simon and Anna that Jesus would be the rise and fall of many (Luke 2:34-38)... So the Gift and the Call both originate in God, but He has not removed our abilities to choose to serve Him and beget Life (John 1:10-13, 3:17-21) or to choose not to serve Him and beget death (Romans 6:23)... just as in the old days, Yahweh offered Israel a choice (Deuteronomy 30:19), Jesus offers us that same choice: we have Life and death in front of us; we must chose Life (Jesus) in order that we Live! Only if we are able to exercise our free will would we be able to chose Life or death! Regretably, many, rejecting God's Gift of Salvation (Christ Jesus, the Lamb of God), choose death! This of course is my reply to Armond... when visited by your Scriptural passage I couldn't help but surmised, form the emphasis given, that you had read my post and were not clear on my argument... In the future, when I find a post that offers Scripture without comments, I will read it and move on without responding to it... if the person offering the post requires my imput I will oblige but only at his/her direct request! God Bless! Angel |
||||||