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1 | Do all men belong to God? | Job 33:6 | armond888 | 132150 | ||
Hello Angel Thanks for the comment.. I am not saying anything I am simply listing scriptures in reference to the question.. I consider My own personal opinions worthless . .. The Bible speaks very well for itself.... 2 Pet 1:20 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, 2 Pet 1:21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God I always say that If you read something and would like to know the intent of the author , you have to ask the author, anything else is only conjecture.. Fortunately for us we have the Holy Spirit and He will lead and guide us into all truth John 6:44 No one is able to come to Me unless the Father Who sent Me attracts and draws him and gives him the desire to come to Me, and [then] I will raise him up [from the dead] at the last day. John 6:45 It is written in [the book of] the Prophets, And they shall all be taught of God [have Him in person for their Teacher]. Everyone who has listened to and learned from the Father comes to Me--[Isa. 54:13.] |
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2 | Do all men belong to God? | Job 33:6 | JCrichton | 132259 | ||
"It is clear throughout the Bible that indeed ALL men do NOT belong to GOD.. not an easy pill to shallow.. puts a big hole in the "free will" concept.." Hi, armond888! The above is a quote from your post # 131917; is this found in Scripture or have you quoted this from someone else's post? I know you responded to my previous post... but I still did not receive a clear enough answer! Perhaps I did not understand your intended meaning when you said or quoted: "puts a big hole in the "free will" concept.." ...what is the point that is made here, is it that we were not created by God with free will to obey His Command or reject it? Is it that evil men will forever be evil because they are not allowed to choose righteousness? Is it that only "good" men will enter into God's Kingdom because they cannot do evil? ...I don't mean to be difficult... I just don't follow your statement--specially in light of: "I am not saying anything I am simply listing scriptures in reference to the question.." Just follow me for a second... one Scripture passage you cite speaks on those who listened and learned from the Father (John 6:45)--this of course supports a negative response to the original query posted ("Do all men belong to God?"), while simultaneously allowing for "free will," as only those who chose/choose to listen to the Father will find Life in Jesus! So to state that not all men belong to God, it is Scripturally correct, since we are all God's creatures but not all creatures are children of God (John 1:10-12). But where I become confused is with the "free will" statement since it is by free will that some believe in Jesus while others reject Him (John 3:19). The Scripture passages you have cited on this post # 132150 are excellent examples of direct dependency on God that we have... yet, I am not questioning this fact! And while 2 Peter 1:20-21 are completely devoid of men interaction, John 6:44-45 do not in any form suggests that we are empty-will automatons unable to choose to serve or not to serve God or unable to choose a change from unrighteousness (the path that ends in death) into righteousness (Salvation in Christ Jesus). If I have misunderstood your "free will" statement/quote, please accept my apologies... but if not please clarify how you come to the conclusion that we lack "free will," the choice to serve God or to defy His Authority! God Bless! Angel |
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3 | Do all men belong to God? | Job 33:6 | armond888 | 132267 | ||
Ok let me list a few more scriptures that might bring clarity to the issue at hand. John 15:16 "You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. Rom 9:11 for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God's purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls, Rom 9:12 it was said to her, "THE OLDER WILL SERVE THE YOUNGER." Rom 9:13 Just as it is written, "JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED." Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! Rom 9:15 For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION." Rom 9:16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. John 1:13 Who owe their birth neither to bloods nor to the will of the flesh [that of physical impulse] nor to the will of man [that of a natural father], but to God. [They are born of God!] Rom 9:18 So then He has mercy on whomever He wills (chooses) and He hardens (makes stubborn and unyielding the heart of) whomever He wills. Rom 9:19 You will say to me, Why then does He still find fault and blame us [for sinning]? For who can resist and withstand His will? Rom 9:20 But who are you, a mere man, to criticize and contradict and answer back to God? Will what is formed say to him that formed it, Why have you made me thus? [Isa. 29:16; 45:9.] Rom 9:21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same mass (lump) one vessel for beauty and distinction and honorable use, and another for menial or ignoble and dishonorable use? The references above address your question ..other that what is in black in white out of the WORD of GOD, I prefer not to comment. |
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4 | Do all men belong to God? | Job 33:6 | JCrichton | 132370 | ||
Hi, Armond888! I respect your decision not to discuss this topic... I appreciate your offering of Scripture... I must state that you have proven nothing... To be devoid of will would suggest that all must do according to God's Will regardless of desire to act in a rebellious manner (sin)--this of course is proven by Scripture not to be the case as the people of Israel, God's chosen people, rebelled time and again against Yahweh's Authority. And since Scripture states that we are all sinners (Romans 5:12) when we apply your theory to humanity, then we can only condlude that man will end up in hell; if you don't believe in hell then: man will end up in a realm devoid of the Glory of God. True, in Scripture we find all answers... but when we apply Scripture in a preconceived manner that removes the Holy Spirit's guidance we end up with contorted ideas of the Word of God! Just listen to Yahweh's own words: Would I take pleasure in the death of the wicked--declares the Lord Yahweh--and not prefer to see him renounce his wickedness and live? ...Repent, renounce all your crimes, avoid all occasions for guilt. Shake off all the crimes you have committed, and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! Why die, House of Israel? I take no pleasure in the death of anyone--declares the Lord Yahweh--so repent and live! (Ezekiel 18:23, 30-32) And our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, couldn't have made it any clearer: And the judgement is this: though the light has come into the world people have preferred darkness to the light because their deeds were evil. And indeed, everybody who does wrong hastes the light and avoids it, to prevent his actions from being shown up; but whoever does the truth comes into the light, so that what he is doing may plainly appear as done in God.' (John 3:19-21) My friend, humanity's fate is not sealed in the blood-thirstiness of a Creator that relishes in seeing His creatures in torment and pain! Not so, my friend! Our fate is sealed by the choices we make! If we rejects God's Authority the end result will always be eternal damnation (Revelation 16:9, 11)! But if we humbly subject ourselves to our Lord's Will, the end result is Eternal Life with Him and in Him! (Romans 6:23) God Bless! Angel |
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5 | Do all men belong to God? | Job 33:6 | armond888 | 132379 | ||
I was not out to prove anything.. I didnt write those scriptures .. they are authored by the Holy Spirit..You had to completly ignore all the scriptures I listed to come up with your reply.. If you choose to ignore them , thats between you and the Lord.. I do hope this ends the discussion , debate or whatever it is.. 2 Tim 2:23 But refuse (shut your mind against, have nothing to do with) trifling (ill-informed, unedifying, stupid) controversies over ignorant questionings, for you know that they foster strife and breed quarrels. |
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