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1 | End times? | Revelation | iriandani | 104336 | ||
Hi Joel. The simple answer to your question is, "No, there is no scripture supporting the scenario you outline." Scripture does not speak to the existence of the U.S. or a Palestinian state or any other political realities that we see today. Over the past 200 years, those who have tried to draw such conclusions have been embarrassed. Like Larry Norman once said, "It's hard being a prophet these days...things are so unpredictable." I think we must keep in mind that even "The Revelation" had an intended audience near the turn of the first century and spoke to their situation and reality, and while it has true relevance to us today, we must read it over their shoulders. They thought it was for them, and there is nothing to indicate that it wasn't. | ||||||
2 | End times? | Revelation | joel k | 104343 | ||
iriandani ... I thank you for replying to this interrogative. But,can you explain your answer in a little more detail, please. Why do you believe "the revelation" was intended for an audience near the turn of the first century? ... ??? read it over their shoulders??? I believe the whole Word of God is intentionally written in a manner that the reader (past, present, or future) will conclude it is intended for themself and it is revelent to that time. Some annalist believe the Word of God's book of Daniel speaks of the USA when he writes about the Lion (England) and out from the lion came the wings of an eagle (USA) and he watched as they broke away from the lion. And as they came together they were given the spirit of a man. (this is not quoted... but it's should be close) I'd like to know what you are talking about ... near the turn of the first century .. thanks God blessings .. joel k |
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3 | End times? | Revelation | iriandani | 104355 | ||
Hi Joel, First, "The Revelation of Jesus Christ" was written around AD 95 and addressed to specific believers who met in specific homes in specific towns. They thought it was written to them and had particular relevance to them especially in light of the persecution coming to them from Rome and the culture. There is the promise of a blessing for any who reads, or hears it read and this includes us. If I read a letter addressed to my grandmother, there may be elements that pertain to me, but it is fundamentally for her. I read it over her shoulders. As regards your statement "I believe the whole Word of God...to that time." This sounds like a noble and righteous statement, but not true. There are very large portions that have no particular relevance to you, like the judgements on specific countries in the minor prophets, the promise to Abraham that he would have a son etc. You might be able to argue that these passages have reference to truths that are relevant to you, but not that they were intended for you specifically. In addition, the Holy Spirit may apply a passage to you personally in a manner never intended by the original author. As regards lions and eagles, Britain and U.S. are hardly the first nations associated with these animals, nor will they be the last. Find me the exact passage would you? Appreciate the questions, by the way. As the aussie's would say, "Good on you". |
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4 | End times? | Revelation | Rowdy | 109404 | ||
I have to say I agree with iriandani on this issue. The book of Revelation is a very complex book, filled with a tremendous amount of figurative language which is very, very difficult to interpret. Personally, I think the first 3 chapters are relatively straight forward and are good for our reference and most certainly applicable to us today. For example it could be aurgued that all congregations of the Lord's church world-wide could see themselves in one or more of those seven epistles written in the first three chapters and could apply the instructions to improve accordingly. However, about the only absolutely positive conclusion or message I can get from the balance of Revelation is the fact that our Lord and Savior will indeed triumph over evil in the final day or Judgement Day which I believe will be the final day for this whole universe. Yes, I guess I'm saying I don't believe there's any scriptures to support the concept of the rapture or Premillennialism. Christ's meeting us in the sky is just the simple prelude to meeting God at His Judgement. As for "looking over the shoulders," that's just another way of saying looking/studying a book of the Bible "through the eyes of the original addressee" and is a perfectly valid concept as was mentioned before. Yes, indeed the main message of love and salvation for all of mankind is the theme throughout the Bible. But the nitty gritty details such as specific instructions from Paul to Timothy for him to bring Paul's coat and to bring Mark is obviously intended only for the actual recipient. These kind of details make the Bible come alive for you and me for it is also the grand history book for mankind and human beings did write all the information therein while keeping in their mind very important messages from God. Remember, the Bible, God's Word is an absolutely unique, one-of-a-kind. There's just nothing like it...that's one of the characteristics that convinces me that It truly is inspired. Although we see tremendous depth and some complex issues especially from the pen of the Apostle Paul, we are assured that most God's Word is to be clearly understood by the great majority of His creation because our God desparately wants us to come back home to Him. So I take advantage of the philosophy and approach the Bible with the advice that's been taught to me: Each book of the Bible should be interpreted as straight-forward as possible unless the figurative language in a particular book is obviously there without its own interpretation. Then we should use the balance of the Bible as its own best commentary. But in no way does our God want us to build up a whole new slant or an innovative concept such as the two mentioned above without clear and straight-forward directives from Him or one of His official Representatives, such as the Apostles. I really must shut up now as I may have already angered some of you in reading this but it is my prayer that some of you will continue studying and praying about this subject. Like as been said before on this Forum, our God is a God of peace and love and I do want to promote that aspect of His message. But we as human beings need to realize that God doesn't expect us to dig up tremendous controversies from His Word. As is made very plain by His Plan of Salvation. His words of Salvation are so simple, even a small child can read them and figure out how to be a christian. He may not know the cost nor be ready to understand what real repentance is all about but he can understand God loves us and how to get back home. I still wish God's richest blessings on all who read this message. |
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