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1 | ___-trib satisfactory? | Revelation | Bobbie Faye | 17342 | ||
Listener, I have studied this subject at quite some length and will give you my opinion. I would like to receive your comments. First of all I believe that the Revelation is a God inspired book. I believe that it was written to the first century Christians to give them encouragement and assurance of their victory in Christ, as they were facing horrendous persecution.The very first paragraph of Revelation tells who the letter is written to and the purpose of the writing. Two places in this paragraph say that these things will take place soon. Although this book is mostly written in figurative language, the figurative language has not yet begun. I believe that this is literal. Also at the end of the book in chapter 22, beginning in verse 6, the vision is complete. The figurative language has ceased and the angel of the Lord has an additional message: He says that these things will take place soon. In verse 7 He says He is coming soon. In verses 10-11, John is told not to seal up these books of prophecy because they are going to happen soon. Prophets of the past were told to seal up their prophecies because these revealed things were not yet to take place. (Isa. 8:16; Daniel 8:26; 9:24; 12:4) John is told not to seal because the events are to come soon. Read Rev. 22:18-19. Here we have an admonition not to add to or take away from the words of this prophecy. Many people will agree that this book is figurative and then take the thousand years in chapter 20 and make them literal. I believe that many are in danger of the judgement announced in these two verses because they sure do add a lot to what is being said in these verses. I believe that the over-all message to the Christian in the first century and to us today from the book of Revelation is that in the face of persecution or whatever the prince of the air may use to try and defeat us, we are victors in Christ Jesus. I think we can have our own private interpretation as to what we think some of these things mean, but if we teach them to others and ridicule others because they do not see these things as we do, we will be in danger of losing our share in the tree of life in that holy city. I have more to say about the Rapture,but I will post another note. God Bless. Bobbie Faye |
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2 | ___-trib satisfactory? | Revelation | Listener | 17379 | ||
Bobbie Faye, You touch on one of the "loose ends" I was referring to. The whole "soon" theme regarding Jesus' return. I don't agree with the pre-tribbers that this proves that no prophecy needs to be fulfilled before the rapture. That's not what "I am coming soon" means. But what does it mean? I know that with the Lord a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day, but the scriptures are His communication to humans. With humans a thousand years is not "soon". I believe the scriptures to be inspired, and that He would never mislead us. So how does this "I am coming soon" fit in? I know a few translations say "I am coming quickly" and I do believe that end time events will come like flood. But again, for me, this is not really resolved. Thanks for your comments, and may the Lord bless you with wisdom and grace. Listener |
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3 | ___-trib satisfactory? | Revelation | Bobbie Faye | 17400 | ||
Listener, I don't know if I am touching upon an answer to your question or not, but I have studied about this thousand year thing and what I come up with is this: In the symbolic language of Revelation the Thousand Year symbol is for complete completeness. satan was bound completely, while martyrs reigned completely. In other words, there was utter defeat on the one hand , whiler there was total vicory on the other hand. I am not able to find where Christ ever comes back to the earth and has an earthly reign. Nowhere in Rev. 20 does it say the throne is on earth. If you have been reading the entire book of Revelation, you know that the throne of Christ and his people is in heaven. John sees the souls of the martyrs, not the bodies. Listener, this is why I referred to Rev 22:18-19. I believe that whole systems of eschatology and theology have been constructed on the basis of these highly symbolical verses. Men adding their own words and their own meaning to the Word of God and deriding anyone who does not accept their opinions. Incidentally, two nights ago I was started re-reading one of the volumes written by Eusebius. Eusebius was a Christian historian who wrote on or about 300 A.D. I had read it once before, but did not remember his commenting on this subject. I would like to quote something he said regarding the teaching of the millenium. I will be quoting from the "Eccliastical History",III xxxix. 7-12. Eusebius has been referring to another writer named Papias. He tells of Papias' habit of adding myths and traditions into his writings and teachings. This is his quote about Papias: "The same writer adduces other accounts, as though they came to him from unwritten tradition and some strange parables and teachings of the Saviour, and some other more mythical accounts. Among them he says that there will be a millennium after the resurrection of the dead, when the kingdom of Christ will be set up in material form on this earth. I suppost that he got these notions by a perverse reading of the apostolic accounts, not realizing that they had spoken mystically and symbolically. For he was a man of very little intelligence, as is clear from his books." I just found this interesting and thought you might also. Now, back to the topic of a "thousand years". I would like to hear your comments. It is very difficult for me to accept a theology that is based and opinions and conjecture. This is why I refer to Matt 24 and I Thess. 4. This is theology that I can believe. The saved will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. When someone wants to inject their opinions into a scripture and build their theology around it, I have a difficult time accepting it. God bless. Bobbie Faye |
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4 | ___-trib satisfactory? | Revelation | casiv | 20762 | ||
Hello Bobbie, Thought you might like to read about the millenial kingdom set up on earth and see where it says the Lord comes back on the earth. Please read the book of Ezekiel chapters 35:1-48:35 which is all about the millenial kingdom set up on earth and the restoration of the earth and mankind. See the Lord in the house at Eze 44:4 on the earth. Read the whole chapter 44 of Ezekiel especially Eze 44:15. Enjoy! Also regarding the structure of Rev 19:17-20:15. Rev 19:17-20:15 is The Seventh and Last vision "on earth". 19:17-21 Men. The judgement of the beast and the false prophet. 20:1-3 satan. The judgement of satan( before the millenium). 20:4-6 Men. The judgement of the overcomers. The "rest of the dead" left for judgement. 20:7-10 satan. The judgement of satan(after the millenium). 20:11-15 Men. The judgement of the great white throne. Regarding Matt 24 and the rapture, I thought scholars stopped using it for the rapture because it calls Jesus a thief. And says if the good man of the house had know in what hour the thief would come they would not have allowed their house to be broken up.? Peace. Casiv |
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