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1 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | Yoshua | 18863 | ||
1) About Acts 20:7 Does Acts 20:7 Teach Sunday Worship? Was Paul really preaching on Sunday in Acts 20:7? A close look dispels this popular belief and discloses important days for observing today. A most controversial and debated passage in the entire New Testament is found in Acts 20:7: "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight." Often cited as proof that the early disciples had been instructed by the Savior to observe Sunday, this verse supposedly shows that they were indeed now keeping the first day of the week instead of observing the day we know as Saturday. Certain translations of this passage render it the same as the King James Version, namely, "the first day of the week." However, other translations render it Saturday night (New English Bible, Good News for Modern Man). How are we to understand this enigmatic passage? Churchianity’s understanding of this passage is divided. Those who worship on Sunday insist this is a powerful passage in support of Sunday-keeping, and is a paramount verse used to show that the Apostle Paul was now keeping Sunday as a day of worship. But Sabbath-keepers contend that it is indeed a Saturday evening message Paul preached that lasted into the night, into the first day of the week that begins at sunset (known to us as Sunday). They cite verses 8 and 9 to substantiate that it was evening and that there were many lights in the upper chamber. The evidence indicates that this latter understanding provides a clearer explanation. Biblical days end with sunset as well as start at sunset. No Communion Happening Here Believe it or not, Acts 20:7 was never inspired by Yahweh’s Spirit to support Sunday worship! It has been twisted to teach a counterfeit day of worship. These verses have nothing to do with observing Sunday, but actually show that Paul was keeping the same Holy Days given to Israel that will be kept in the Kingdom. Neither does this verse teach us to partake each Sunday of the symbols of the body and blood of our beloved Savior by taking the cup and breaking of bread. The expression "breaking of bread" here simply means sharing a common meal such as in Acts 2:42; 46. Note especially Acts 27:35: "And when [Paul] had thus spoken, he took bread, and gave thanks to Yahweh in presence of them all: and when he had broken it, he began to eat." Bread in those days was not sliced as today, but broken off in chunks, then often dipped in a sauce or broth before being eaten. Acts 20:11 shows that Paul, having revived Eutychus, went back up and ate bread, continuing his conversation until daybreak. This Was 25 Years AFTER Yahshua Verse 6 tells us that Paul sailed away from Philippi after the Days of Unleavened Bread, arriving in Troas five days later where they stayed for seven days. Passover and the days of Unleavened Bread always come around the time of the spring barley harvest heralding the first of the seven annual Feast Days for Israel. Why does Luke, in the year 57, make special mention of the Days of Unleavened Bread, which always follow the spring festival of Passover? This is some 25 years after the Messiah’s death and ascension to the heavens! If the Days of Unleavened Bread are now done away, as some erroneously teach, why does Luke call attention to them in Paul’s dealing with the Gentiles? Paul had evidently stayed in Philippi to observe these days with the non-Israelite Philippian brethren. Notice that the cup or fruit of the vine is nowhere mentioned in Acts 20:7-11, as it is in 1Corinthians 10:16. The cup would be required had this been an observance of the Passover or the "Master’s Supper." Furthermore, verse 6 reveals that Paul had already kept this annual memorial service before his arrival in Troas. It is quite clear that upon Paul’s planning to depart from Troas, the brethren came together for a common meal, a "farewell supper," and Paul preached a discourse unto them, continuing until midnight and beyond. Paul was not partaking of a "Communion" or "Master’s Supper." He ate later, verse 11. The cup or "fruit of the vine" are nowhere mentioned. This was a common meal. This verse has a much more profound meaning for those who are searching for Yahweh’s truth and seeking His will. Understanding this verse will help us go on unto perfection. Paul Observes An Annual Sabbath In Green’s Interlinear Bible, where the English is translated directly under the Greek, Acts 20:7 reads, "on and the one of the Sabbaths." In the King James the word "week" is the Greek plural of No. 4521 in Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance and means the Sabbath. It is the equivalent of the Hebrew No. 7676 and means the Sabbath, the day of weekly repose, a rest from secular avocations. to be continued... |
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2 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | userdoe220 | 18894 | ||
In Acts 20:7 the Greek phrase that is used is Mio Ton Sabbaton Mio equals First Ton equals Day and Sabbaton(pluaral) equals Weeks I don't see a problem with the way the NASB/KJV/NKJV/RSV Greek linguists translated this passage. Just because you see the word Sabbaton, does not automatically mean the Sabbath day. Lets look how the author you ar qouting Greek translation skills pan out in other passages in the N.T. Mark 16:1-2 16:1 When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus' body. “Sabbath”, in this passage, is the Greek word SABBATOU Which is in the singular and the expression that is used to designate the Sabbath in Scripture. 2 Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb “First Day of the week” uses the same Greek sentence Construction found in Acts 20:7: Mia Ton Sabbaton which is again correctly translate first day of the week as it is in Acts 20:7. If I used your argument, verse 1 and 2 would have occurred on the same day which the context of the text would not allow. Why? Verse one states “when the Sabbath day was OVER” (emphasis added is mine). So Mia Ton Sabbaton was used, as it is used elsewhere in scripture, to designate the first day of the week. I choose to let scripture interpret scripture. Acts 20:7 is not a difficult passage to understand at all as the author of the article you pasted states in the beginning. In light of Mark 16 it becomes clear that Mio Ton Sabbaton is the phrase used to designate the first day of the week, Sunday. The question I must ask is why did the author of your post go through such linguistic Gymnastics to have Paul not preaching on Sunday? Because it would violate his understanding of the Sabbath. It would mean that it is now OK for believers to worship on the Lord’s day. I really did enjoy your post and it caused me to dig back into the Greek Text and do some research; however, I would like to hear your thoughts penned in your own words. Could you please respond to the scripture in Collossians. I am anxious to hear how you understand those passages in the light of your view on the Sabbath. Thanks for your time and effort you have placed in this dialogue. I have really enjoyed it. Schwartzkm |
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3 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | Yoshua | 18902 | ||
Your're right. My last post was taken from a site that I discover recently. By digging a little bit more deeper, I've found some "gymnastic" doctrinal phrases too. So, I think some aspects are valid, some not. But if you don't mind I recomed you a favorite site: http://www.sdanet.org/atissue/sabbath/bacchiocchi-2.htm. This article is from Samuele Bacchiocchi. He's a very respected biblical scholar. Sorry brother, I've lost the sequence...What passage of Colossians do your refer? I do agree. The Law must be seen as a whole. And indeed it is moral basically. My point -perhaps I wasn't clear- is that the 10 Comm have a differente treatment by God that the other rest of the Law. The most valid argument to sustain my point is the Bible itself. The Holy ghost, through Paul, stablishes the 10 Comm as the basis to determine what is sin (Rom 3:20). You can say that ANY rebellion against the will of God is sin. And it is (remember Adam). But I would like you to tell me ¿why does the Holy Spirit inspires Paul to use the "Not covet" commandment and not a ceremonial rite? "Being a revelation of God's will for mankind, the law reveals the nature of sin as disobedience to God. Paul explains that "through the Law comes the knowledge of sin" (Rom 3:20) because the Law causes people to recognize their sins and themselves as sinners. It is evident that this important function of the Law could not have been terminated by Christ, since the need to acknowledge sin in one's life is as fundamental to the life of Christians today as it was for the Israelites of old." Samuele Bacchiocchi Thanks for your time and interest. God bless you, Yehoshua |
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4 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | userdoe220 | 18905 | ||
I will check out the website. Sounds interesting. I will have to get back to you later on the rest. |
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