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1 | Help! Unclean vs clean meat? | Acts | DocTrinsograce | 205564 | ||
Dear MJH, We need to be careful that we state things in a manner consistent consistent with the Word. We want to quote Scripture in an honest and open fashion, in context, regardless of our unique predilections and presuppositions. Otherwise, we may find ourselves doing precisely the opposite of what we are advocating (Proverbs 30:6). Let's look at those Scriptures you have cited for us: "Everything that I command you, you shall be careful to do. You shall not add to it or take from it." (Deuteronomy 12:32 ESV) The context of this verse is the conclusion of a directive to avoid amending or ameliorating the law with the rites and practices of heathens. I think Christ was pretty careful not to do that. Nevertheless, let's look at the other verses you cited: "And now, O Israel, listen to the statutes and the rules that I am teaching you, and do them, that you may live, and go in and take possession of the land that the LORD, the God of your fathers, is giving you. You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you. (Deuteronomy 4:1-2 ESV) Now, there are a couple of pronouns in 4:1-2 and 12:32. See them? There's "I" and there's "you." Who is the sovereign giving the commands? Who is it that is to obey the commands, and to not to add or take away from the law? Jesus as the Lord God Almighty come in the flesh, I'd say it was a safe bet that He had full authority to add commands (John 13:34), remove commands (Ephesians 2:15), or amend commands (Matthew 19:8-9). Finally, I didn't use the word "nullify." I simply cited a pertinent Scripture text. Nullify is your choice of words. Nonetheless, if you insist, God has and can nullify His law (1 Samuel 2:30; Zechariah 11:9-17; Matthew 21:43; Romans 11:17-22; Ephesians 2:14-16; Hebrews 8:8-12; etc. etc.). Therefore, "if Jesus is the Word in flesh," He is our Sovereign Lord, He is God with us (Matthew 1:23), "Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6). He opens what none can shut, and He shuts, what none can open (Isaiah 22:22). So, indeed, yes. Let US not add or diminish what the whole Word of God says. In Him, Doc |
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2 | Help! Unclean vs clean meat? | Acts | MJH | 205774 | ||
Doc, A pleasure as always. I wish I had more time...so I will be late in responding fully. I did read the totality of the scriptures you listed. Prov. 30:6 I agree with whole heartedly and hope to always divine the Truth of God's Word. Just a note: I am not attempting to convince you, but your grasp of the Text and willingness to discuss provides a wonderful sharpening (as iron sharpens iron....) Plus, you come from the same doctrinal back ground as I in most respects. A few notes before I find the time to address your response in full: 1) I hold to the hermeneutic that later scripture can not contradict earlier scripture (of course, no Scripture can contradict any other). So if Paul is going to argue that the everlasting covenant that God made with Israel would be cancelled, he needs to go back to the books of Moses for proof. We see him doing this a lot to root his arguments in the Scriptures. 2) If God can break a covenant he made at Sinai, then what keeps him from breaking the covenant found in Jeremiah? Where lies assurance.... for every passage you can find that seems to write off Israel and the covenant, I could find 10 that say it's eternal and God would never break it. It is His faithfulness that leads us into right relationship with Him, not our own. 3) There are no covenants in the New Testament. The "New Covenant" spoken of is of course from Jer. 31 where God makes it clear he will never abandon his people Israel. It also makes it clear that the New Covenant is the commands (ie. the stipulations of the Old) written on the heart. I contend that Abraham, Moses, David, et. al. had the Law written on their hearts and were as much a part of the New Covenant as we are, only they came before the blood of that covenant was shed and we come after. 4) Our understanding of what a covenant is may be somewhat different. I hold that a covenant agreement with the stipulations it contains is unalterable. Alter any part of it and you break the whole of it. James 2:10. It would seem superfluous for God to say that He Himself can not add or subtract to the covenant. After all, He is faithful and let everyone else be a liar. 5) It is my understanding that when, in Ex 24, the people said, “We will do everything you have said.” That was the agreement, ie. the Old agreement that they broke just a few days later with the golden calf. Deut 30 is our first picture of the New agreement where it says that “it is not too hard for you . . . it is in your heart and in your mind that you may do it.” In Romans 10, Paul uses this Text and inserts Jesus into it directly connecting Him to the covenant, yet through Jesus, the Law is written on our hearts and in our minds. In fact, in this, Jesus becomes our Law (or is our Law.) No I am wondering….so until later, God bless as always MJH |
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3 | Help! Unclean vs clean meat? | Acts | stjohn | 205777 | ||
Hi Jim: You wrote: I hold to the hermeneutic that later scripture can not contradict earlier scripture (of course, no Scripture can contradict any other). So if Paul is going to argue that the everlasting covenant that God made with Israel would be cancelled, he needs to go back to the books of Moses for proof. We see him doing this a lot to root his arguments in the Scriptures. Well, Sir, I agree with the first, but to the latter, I don't believe that that is his argument at all. He doesn't say it was canceled, (Dose he?) but that it was just not fulfilled yet. I think maybe that answer is in Rev...? My two cents, God bless John |
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4 | Help! Unclean vs clean meat? | Acts | MJH | 205779 | ||
Jim, Sorry, the note left to Doc was in context of our earlier discussion. I don't think Paul argued against the covenant made with Moses, but my statement was that when Paul did make a ruling on something, he always backed it up with earlier Scriptures primarily the book of Moses. I suppose reading my post as a stand alone; one would get your impression. Thanks for allowing me to clarify. MJH |
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5 | Help! Unclean vs clean meat? | Acts | stjohn | 205780 | ||
Hi MJH: aah, I see where my confusion is, thank you. This calling each other (Jim) by the way, has just got to stop, it getting monotonous! :-) God bless John |
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6 | Help! Unclean vs clean meat? | Acts | MJH | 205781 | ||
Yeah, sorry Jim...ahh John. MJH |
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