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1 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | userdoe220 | 18841 | ||
Let me clear up two points I feel there is a mis-udnerstanding on: 1.) I never said that the New Covenant abolished the Law. There are some within Christendom that believe the Law was abolished I do not. The real issue is what part(s) of the law are applicable to the believer today? Are women suppose to leave their house during their menstrul cycle? If I get into a fight with another man and his wife pulls on my testicals am I alloed to cut off her hand? Do we still observe the various feasts recorded in the O.T.? When was the last time you sacrificed a dove or gave a grain offering? Certainly you can see that some things changed from the time of Moses and the coming of Christ. The real question is, Just how much change occured? Another way to ask the same question is how much of the Law is applicable to the believer today? You tell me I am sinning because I do not hold the Sabbath as binding to the believer. You still never answered the 2 scripture passages I gave you before that I feel gives me liberty to choose that one day a week that I want to honor God and what festivals I am able to participate in. 2.) No one who has studied this issue feels that Sunday replaced the Sabbath. "If you think so, go and tell lies and kill people or even better: dishonour your parents. Or perhaps it gives you freedom to steal?...But remember Rom 3:31 and Matt 5:17 " Of course I feel I cannot do any of the above list of sins and still be a Christian in good standing with God. (I am glad you are qouting N.T. passages so now I do not have to look them up.) The N.T offers plenty of verses that instruct me how to live a holy life before God. But notice that nowhere in the N.T. is Sabbath Worship enforced...Just like there is nowhere in the N.T. that instructs me to continue partcipating in the Levitcal sacrifices. |
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2 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | Yoshua | 18845 | ||
True, you never said New Pact abolish the Law. But the Lord gave a Moral Law and a sacrificial Law (Moses). The Moral Law is applicable to everybody in every age. The sacrificial Law was nailed with the death of Jesus at the cross. His Law is eternal as He is. God bless you, Yoshua |
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3 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | userdoe220 | 18854 | ||
I don't think the sacrificial law was done away with at all...It was perfected in the perfect sacrifice--Jesus. I also believe that the moral law was not done away with. T he question I have...and I don't have a firm answer...is did the Sabbath apply to the ceremonial/sacrificial law or to the moral law? It seems to me that the very nature of the Sabbath worship was ceremonial. |
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4 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | Yoshua | 18866 | ||
I can agree with your perspective about the perfection of sacrificial law at the Jesus death. The point is that this law is no longer valid. The Ten Commandments are moral. See their nature (Exodus 20). None of them could be taken away as the sacrifice of a lamb can be, for example. The Sabbath is inside the Ten Commandments, therefore its a moral issue. ¿Do you want to see the difference between these two laws? Well first of all, I ask the Holy Spirit guides us. He will respond your question. Lets see Deuteronomy 31: "24 After Moses finished writing in a book the words of this law from beginning to end, 25 he gave this command to the Levites who carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD: 26 "Take this Book of the Law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God. There it will remain as a witness against you." ¿Do you see? God himself give clear instructions to Moses about one Law, the one Moses wrote: "place it beside the ark of the covenant" On the other hand, God give clear instructions about the 10 Comm. See Deut 10:1-5: "1 At that time the LORD said to me, "Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones and come up to me on the mountain. Also make a wooden chest [or an ark] 2 I will write on the tablets the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke. Then you are to put them in the chest." 3 So I made the ark out of acacia wood and chiseled out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I went up on the mountain with the two tablets in my hands. 4 The LORD wrote on these tablets what he had written before, the Ten Commandments he had proclaimed to you on the mountain, out of the fire, on the day of the assembly. And the LORD gave them to me. 5 Then I came back down the mountain and put the tablets in the ark I had made, as the LORD commanded me, and they are there now." Obviously there were two laws. both are different. One was put ASIDE the ark the other was put INSIDE the ark (by the way ¿do you know waht does it mean the ark?). The difference between them roots in its nature. The 10 Comm, first given in Exo 20, are preceed by His declaration as the Saviour of Israel (see Exo 20:2). As you can see the very nature of Sabbath is moral. Read the Commmandment: Exodus 20 8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. What is the reason to keep Sabbath? The verse 11 gives the answer: because "the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day." And continues reafirming the reason "Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy." The Lord made it holy and saint. Its a time to communion with Him,to remember Him as our Creator and Saviour. There's nothing ceremonial with that. Its totally moral. A relation with our Almighty Lord can not be "ceremonial" but moral. Something deeply personal. ¿Don't you agree? God bless you brother, Yehoshua God said to Moses |
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5 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | userdoe220 | 18897 | ||
I don't see how the location of the Book of the Law and the Tables of the law means one is moral and the other is not or one is still binding but the other is not. The Jews understood--and I am going to use a modern understanding of the Law just to prove a point--the Moral, Civil, and Ceremonial aspects of the Law as Moral. The wouldn’t agree with the statement you just made—10 commandments are moral the ceremonial aspects of the law are not moral. You can't say the 10 commandments are moral therefore it applies today but the ceremonial and civil aspects of the Law are not moral! If your whole basis for the 10 commandments applying to the life of the believer is because it is moral the whole law must apply--Ceremonial and Civil. Why? Because the Jews understood the whole law, not just the 10 commandments--to be morally binding to the believer. Ceremonial aspects of the Law was how a person worshipped God. That is why I believe the Sabbath is ceremonial...It deals with the believers life of worship. I hope you can see there is a difference between killing, coveting, adultry and a day set aside to acknowledge God and rest. |
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6 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | christiankl | 18931 | ||
I see your point and have enjoyed reading the other posts. The placement of the two types of laws: moral and ceremonial is important. It sounds like you do believe that a moral law would apply in the life and character of a Christian. The ceremonial laws were sacrificial ordinances that represented or were a shadow of the true Lamb of God and were done away with at the cross. Let me explain why the 4th commandment of the decalogue does not have to be viewed as ceremonial and different from the mosaic laws. This was also something God did from creation Gen 2:2-3 "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made." You are right, this 4th commandment is unique in that it is about a person's life of worship. It is the only commandment that signifies God as Creator. His place of authority is also mentioned in this 4th commandment Ex 20:11 "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is". The keeping of Sabbath is not to be viewed as a ceremony, but rather an observance in the fear and glory of the Lord. Rev 14:6 "Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." Being that there are many types of gods that this world serves, the remembrance of the 4th commandment marks the identity of God as the Creator God. It is a simple act of obedience which was also observed by Jesus Christ (John 15:10, Luke 23:52-56) His disciples, and gentiles, (Acts 18:4, Acts 13:44). |
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