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1 | Are you onced saved always saved? | John | John Reformed | 102389 | ||
"Eternal life IS ETERNAL. ETERITY is forever, not bondage. To have something, one MUST accept something, and retain it as well." ---------------------------------------- You have life George, when did you agree to exist? And what power do you have to retain your existence? -------------------------------------- "In the case of the "prodical son". Had that son died in the process of splurging his inheritance, would he have died within the will of his father? I think not. The father would have grieved because he loved the child, but he would have never condoned the childs action." -------------------------------- The father in the parable is God. He cetainly could have saved the boy from death if that was His will. -------------------------------- "Just like that prodical son, we all have to "accept" the will of the Father, and continue to live and strive to the best of our ability to be pleasing in His sight." -------------------------------- I hate to say it George, but that sounds too close to "salvation by works" to me. ---------------------------------- "I appologize. I do not believe "Once saved, always saved." I do believe that those who do believe this way believe dangerously. I believe in "Grace." "No one can convince me that the man or woman who has served God all their life, and because of one of lifes tragedies fallen away from their belief, will enter the gates of heaven. For the righteous are not saved by their acts of righteousness. Nor are the sinfull condemned by their acts of sin." ------------------------------------- We are given life and are forced to live until we die. We are given eternal life, not on the basis of our will but God's (John 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.). Happily, with this gift of grace, we also recieve the gift of God's Spirit dwelling in us (Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,). But what does it mean to be "sealed in Him"? It means our security in Christ has been made an unalterable fact, cofirmed by God Himself. In olden times royal documents were sealed with a wax seal which had imprinted on it the signet of the King. No one, but the one to whom the document was intended for, could break that seal. Therefore, those who are sealed cannot unseal themselves. We were drawn by the Father and given to the Son and He said that we would be raised on the last day (John 6). Where I think you are going wrong is in your idea that any person who is in Christ may be anything but gratefull and happy for having recieved such a wonderfull gift. Those who fall from faith, fall from a faith that was false to begin with. Only the Spirit of God is able to have you see this; I pray that He will. To God be the Glory, Your Brother John |
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2 | Are you onced saved always saved? | John | GeorJoy | 102413 | ||
One final thought. I wonder about your interpritation of 2 Peter. Particularily 2 Peter 2:21. Exhorting In Christ To the end George |
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3 | Are you onced saved always saved? | John | John Reformed | 102421 | ||
Dear George, 2 Pet 2:21 For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them. "better for THEM". Who are "them"? They are the "many" in v.2 and the "them" of v.8; the unrigteouss of v.9; the "these of v.12, the "They"of v.13 etc. Paul is speaking of two groups of people that may be found in every church. The godly whom God "knows how to rescue" and "the unrighteous" whom He knows how to keep" under punishment til the day of judgement". 2 Pet 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. Mere knowledge may be of some benefit in keeping one from drunkeness or fornication etc., but without faith it is worthless as far as salvation or godliness is concerned. 2 Pet 2:21 For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them. Many people who have never had an opportunity to hear the truth about Jesus will be in Hell. How much worse will that punishment be for those who had heard and even thought it inspiring, but who never truly trusted and believed in Christ for their salvation. Instead they viewed it as interesting; a beautiful story perhaps, but, one of many ways to God. You know the kind Peter is describing. We meet them all the time..."Oh yes", they say, "I belive in Jesus, but...." You fill in the blank. I'm sure you have heard a variety of "buts". The group in verse 21 are the same group John said in 1 John 2:19 "They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us." God Bless, John |
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