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1 | Are you onced saved always saved? | John | GeorJoy | 102328 | ||
Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Consider The Nation of Israel. How many times did they turn from the Lord? Through His infinant mercy He has always drawn them back. But what of those individuals who perrished durring their withdrawel? "He that overcometh." Are there not many who have sliped back into the grips of sin? One would say, "well they were not saved in the first place;" I would say that one should not be the first to cast that stone and make the judgement as to who was and is saved. God can not and will not loose what is His. Yet what is His has a "free will," and can, and have Backslid to sin and will perrish in the lake of fire. Salvation is salvation! Christ WILL NOT be crucified a second time for those not included in the statement "He that overcometh...." The Lion does give ETERNAL LIFE, but He does not force it on anyone. Not even the believer. He will never let go, but one can free himself from His grip. The "once saved, always saved" thought implies that once the lamb is in the flock and following the Shepherd, he has a fence around him. A fence which he can never escape and be devoured by the wolf. Scripture does not teach this thought. Quiet the contrary, scripture tells us to be ever watchfull... George |
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2 | Are you onced saved always saved? | John | khuck | 102368 | ||
Hi George, I hope you will not find my response to be reproachful, it sincerely is not my intention. I do believe what the Lord Jesus said, and I am confident that NOTHING can separate me from His love and that He is able to deliver me faultless before the Lord, by the shedding of His blood. Nothing can take me from the Fathers hands. John 10 v.25 Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, v.26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. v.27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. v.28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. v.29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. v.30I and the Father are one." I believe that I had no power to save myself... Christ is my savior. Therefore what power do I have to overturn so great a salvation? 1 Cor 1 v.8 He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. v.9 God, who has called you into fellowship with his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, is faithful. George, In the most simplistic terms, I do believe wholeheartedly, that He that saved me, is more than capable to keep me. We must always pray and be vigilent of course, but not praying for more salvation, or vigilent that we not lose our salvation. Eph v.18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints. Remember even our Lord (WHO GIVES ETERNAL LIFE) was watchful and viligent and He is the example of what we (the Believer) aspire to attain in this life, we who believe in the gift of grace and forgiveness wrought by His freely shedding His Own blood for the remission of our sins, continue to move towards the gift of eternal life that is certain. Phil 3 V.12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. v.13 Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, v.14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. IMHO once saved always saved -khuck |
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3 | Are you onced saved always saved? | John | GeorJoy | 102383 | ||
In one of my previous posts I stated something to the affect of the following; "can not is obsurdity; will not, I tend to agree with." There is no such thing as "more salvation!" Continued salvation would be more suitable. Per Mr Webster; Salvation is 1 a : deliverance from the power and effects of sin b : the agent or means that effects salvation c Christian Science : the realization of the supremacy of infinite Mind over all bringing with it the destruction of the illusion of sin, sickness, and death 2 : liberation from ignorance or illusion 3 a : preservation from destruction or failure b : deliverance from danger or difficulty The statement "once saved, always saved" states that one can not turn from the deliverance from danger or difficulty. Your post strengthens my agreement with the "will not" portion of that statement, yet and still, I can't yet agree with "once saved, always saved," but I can't say that I totally disagree with it either. Dear soul, you stated "I do believe wholeheartedly, that He that saved me, is more than capable to keep me." I do too. But scripture teachs that one "can remove his name from the Lambs Book of life." If anyone can, through scripture prove "once saved, always saved," I will accept that statement. Otherwise, through scripture I will continue to assert the statement that "this is a dangerous" way to believe. Either way; the bottom line is that we accept, believe, and repent. This is the foundation. All other discussion is "non essential." I can, and will agree to disagree with my bretherin in this matter. I pray they can and will do the same. What does "IMHO" mean? All for One And One for all. In Christ George |
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4 | Are you onced saved always saved? | John | Radioman2 | 102419 | ||
George: Exactly where in Scripture does it say that one "can remove his name from the Lambs Book of life"? Please give us the book, the chapter and the verse where it actually says this. I know you used the word "teaches," but since you put it in quotation marks, I'd like to know what verse of the Bible says that one "can remove his name from the Lambs Book of life." In this post, I'm not trying to argue or debate the Once Saved Always Saved question. I merely ask where in the Bible does it actually come right out and say that. Grace to you, Radioman2 |
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5 | Are you onced saved always saved? | John | GeorJoy | 102433 | ||
There are many thoughts and truths portrayed by scripture that are not specifically worded therein. Thus they are considered as mere opinions by those with limited or no discernment and, or void of understanding. In not so many words, yet direct from scripture, I have posted your answer already in this very thread. One can be shown the truth, but he must see it. Other than through the Spirit, no one can see it for him. In Christ George |
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6 | Are you onced saved always saved? | John | Radioman2 | 102447 | ||
In other words, you cannot answer my question. You cannot tell us the book, chapter and verse where it SAYS what you say it does. Am I "with limited or no discernment and, or void of understanding"? |
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7 | Are you onced saved always saved? | John | GeorJoy | 102577 | ||
Are you so quick to judge simply due to your lack of understanding? Read Rev 3:5. Interpret it as you will. Then read 1Peter 2:4 to 9 Then read 2 Peter 2:20 to 22. Then dear brother and all who would dispute the subject, re read them until the spirit opens your eyes. For it is apparent that it is not the time of understanding for many. Could it be that the reason that so many are described in 2Ti 3:7 is possibly due to the fact that they have, and continue to ignore the instruction in 2Ti 2:15. Radioman2. I have provided what you ask. If you still do not understand; this doesn’t make these truths any less true. Don’t let it bother you dear brother for, “for everything there is a time,” even the understanding of various truths. …That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; Exhorting In the name of our Lord And Savior, Jesus Christ. George |
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