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1 | What are Mortal and Venial sinis | Matthew | Emmaus | 87379 | ||
Itiswritten, I was raised catholic too and still am. Please read the whole thread. Am I to take it then you do not believe the scripture (1 John 5;16-17 ) which make it absolutely clear that there is a sin "unto death" and sins that are "not unto death"? Is that scripture a Catholic invention too? I know it is the scriptural basis of the Catholic doctrine of mortal "unto death" sin and venial "not unto death" sins. It never ceases to amaze me when some people complain there is no scriptural basis for certain Catholic doctrines, then absolutely refuse to acknowledge they were wrong when the scriptural basis is pointed out. It is possible to says they disagree on the interpretation of the scripture, but to deny there is a scriptural basis at all is then just obstinancy. In Protetsant circles all kinds of different opinions based on different interpretation are acknowledged and accepted with charity, unless the different interpreation is a Catholic one, even if other another Protetsant communion may also hold the same position,e.g. infant baptism, baptismal regeneration, Real Presence in the Eucharist, priesthood. Tolerable if Lutheran, Episcopal, Methodist, etc., intolerable, for some, thankfully not all, if Catholic. Emmaus |
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2 | What are Mortal and Venial sinis | Matthew | itiswritten | 87400 | ||
Dear Emmaus, Please do not take offense. As I said I was raised a Catholic. I was saved WHEN I WAS A CATHOLIC, as a Catholic, while reading my Catholic Bible. I am not saying this to "dis" the Catholic Church. I was taught by the Catholic Church that there were venial and mortal sins and that there was a purgatory. I was taught all about miracles and Jesus Christ. However, I was never told that I could have a conversion experience or have any such thing as an encounter with Jesus Christ the Savior of my soul. Not only that, according to Catholic church doctrine, I was practicing birth control and had not gone to church in 7 years which clearly put me in a state of mortal sin according to Catholic church teachings yet, One day, while reading my Catholic Bible, despite all the doctrine I had been taught I met Jesus Christ in my own living room. What I had been told from Catholic grammer school through college...had never told me this was possible. I do not believe that the scripture you refer to gives the same impression that the Catholic church teaching had in this area on myself and many others...the impression that well, if you are not clergy, you will sin...you can not be totally cleansed and you have to figure whatever you haven't been able to overcome in the flesh in this life will be burned off in purgatory for a time.I was taught by implication, to settle for that and that otherwise would be presumptuous to say the least. When Jesus came to me that day I was made instantly aware that I was a sinner (and not because of the reasons of doctrine that the church states), instantly aware that He loved me anyway, instantly aware that I was forgiven and cleansed and made a new person. It was a shock to me. A wonderful awareness but a shock as it showed me that sin was sin, that people had offended me but I was still a sinner because I was offended in the first place and my reaction was just as bad as those who had hurt me even if they were wrong. No mortal and venial...sin was sin, but that Jesus and what He did on the cross was the remedy and that there was no purgatory but you are either forgiven or not...period. Now mind you, I was reading the truths from my own CATHOLIC BIBLE and I do not say anyone should leave the Catholic Church. What I am saying simply is that this doctrine, as far as I know, about mortal and venial sins is taught in the Catholic church as doctrine almost exclusively. I don't think this scripture means that and this is simply my opinion. You are entitled to yours. I just want you to understand why I stated what I did...and the question that was put was simple and I thought looking for just that simple answer...that it was a doctrine of the Catholic church. I believe all doctrine should be from Scripture. I just do not agree that the Scripture you are quoting means the doctrine of mortal and venial sins as I was taught. But that is my own personal opinion. Itiswritten |
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3 | What are Mortal and Venial sinis | Matthew | Emmaus | 87402 | ||
Itiswritten, No offense taken. I had a similar experience to yours, but it was actually in a Catholic Church during a Eucharistic procession at the end of a Mass when a priest was blessing those in the pews he was passing. I felt something like an electrical charge pass into me and experienced an overwhelming sense of God's love and forgiveness. I was reduced to tears, with my nose running and without a kleenex in sight, which was something of an embarrasment for a grown man. For me it also deepened, enriched and transformed my Catholic faith in life changing ways. The priest had no idea what effect that simple blessing had had. A few years later at the reguest of a nun he became involved in a healing ministry and only then became aware of this gift that was already flowing through him in his ministry without him even being aware of it. More years later I met him again and was able to share with him what had happened at that particular Mass. He told me that if the nun had not needed a priest for her ministry team and had not drafted him, he might never have known. God does work in mysterious ways. Emmaus |
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4 | What are Mortal and Venial sinis | Matthew | reilly1041 | 87432 | ||
Yet another opinion by a Catholic on mortal/venial sins. In my opinion, the problem with this classification is that one can conclude that they really aren't that much of a sinner, just some venial sins. Venial sins don't even have to be enumerated in confession, just say a few and then follow up with "for these and other venial sins, I am heartily sorry". (Not that that is Catholic doctrine, but certainly it's Catholic practice, IMO.) In my personal experience, mortal sins weren't a risk (except maybe missing Mass, especially on Holy Days that popped up out of nowhere), so I could conclude I was doing pretty well. What a horribly dangerous thought to entertain!! I know that many family members of mine feel the same way to this day. It is only through reading the Bible and other Christian reading that I came to realize that my sins were real sins that were separating me from God, and I finally became repentent. It is at that point that I was saved. As for scriptural reference, Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount, equated lust with adultery (Mt 5:27), thus equating a venial sin with a mortal sin. My study bible (Life Appl Bible, NLT), has the 1st John verse as follows: 1John 5:16 .. But there is a sin that leads to death, and I am not saying you should pray for those who commit it." With a note that commentators differ widely on what this sin that leads to death is, such as blasphemy against the H. Spirit, partaking in communion in an unworthy manner, people who left Christian fellowship and rejected their salvation, etc. |
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5 | What are Mortal and Venial sinis | Matthew | Emmaus | 87433 | ||
Reilly, "In my personal experience, mortal sins weren't a risk (except maybe missing Mass, especially on Holy Days that popped up out of nowhere), so I could conclude I was doing pretty well. What a horribly dangerous thought to entertain!! I know that many family members of mine feel the same way to this day. It is only through reading the Bible and other Christian reading that I came to realize that my sins were real sins that were separating me from God, and I finally became repentent. It is at that point that I was saved. As for scriptural reference, Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount, equated lust with adultery (Mt 5:27), thus equating a venial sin with a mortal sin." You mean all that Catholic guilt I've felt over the years was about no big thing? :-) I always got the impression that one of the reasons many Catholics stopped going to Confession around age 14 was because that was about when they started committing mortal sins, especially sins related to lust and they found them difficult to confess. Most were still going to Mass then because their parents could still make them. Emmaus |
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