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1 | God is not the author of evil. | Job | Hank | 99104 | ||
John Reformed - "Nothing can happen that He (God) does not cause to happen." Is that your position? ---- If it is, answer me this: Some 14 years ago my son was killed in an automobile accident involving a drunk driver. Did God CAUSE the driver to get drunk? (Surely he did if nothing can happen that He does not cause to happen). ....... Did He CAUSE the drunk driver to get behind the wheel of an automobile? (Surely He did if nothing can happen that He does not cause to happen). ....... Did He CAUSE the drunk driver to cross the freeeway median and slam head-on into another car coming in the opposite direction? (Surely He did if nothing can happen that He does not cause to happen). .......Did God CAUSE my son and two other people to perish in that crash? (Surely He did if nothing can happen that He does not cause to happen). ....... Show me Scripture that teaches any such thing as this. Do you not make any distrinction between CAUSE and PERMIT? Did God CAUSE Adam and Eve to sin? (Surely He did if nothing happens that He does not cause to happen). Or could it be true that He gave them a CHOICE to obey Him or disobey Him? ....... And in like manner, man today has a choice to obey or disobey: Does he or does he not? ..... In your theology, is a man a free more agent or is a puppet? If he is not a free moral agent and if he is not a puppet, then tell me what he is. .......If a man has no choice, he is a puppet and God the puppeteer, or do you have a better explanation? ....... But if God sovereignly elected to give man certain choices, how does this make God any less sovereign? I maintain it does not make Him any less sovereign if He elects to make man a free moral agent, free to obey Him or disobey Him. ........ I post this in spite of my resolve not to engage you in debate, John, (I know how you love it!) but I find it hard to resist letting some of your doctrine go by without challenging it. ....... There are two reasons why I cannot endorse your statement that "Nothing can happen that He does not cause to happen." The first is that Scripture doesn't teach it. The second is that it honestly makes no sense. --Hank | ||||||
2 | God is not the author of evil. | Job | John Reformed | 99187 | ||
Dear Hank, Rather than offer my feeble interpretaions, I believe The Word itself will provide the evidence you have asked for. Acts 4:27 "For truly in this city there were gathered together against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, Acts 4:28 to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose predestined to occur. Gen 50:20 "As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good in order to bring about this present result, to preserve many people alive. Job 1:12 Then the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has is in your power, only do not put forth your hand on him." So Satan departed from the presence of the LORD..." Job 1:19-21 and behold, a great wind came from across the wilderness and struck the four corners of the house, and it fell on the young people and they died, and I alone have escaped to tell you." Then Job arose and tore his robe and shaved his head, and he fell to the ground and worshiped. He said, "Naked I came from my mother's womb, And naked I shall return there. The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away. Blessed be the name of the LORD." John |
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3 | God is not the author of evil. | Job | flinkywood | 99200 | ||
John, An analogy, I'll even make it out of time to simulate God's eternal perpsective. Andy Bathgate takes a giant slapshot from the blue line, but the shot is headed wide of the post. Suddenly, Tipper Gore skates into the goalie box and tips the puck, mid-air, into the crease. Goal, Tipper, with an assist from Bathgate! God preordained the goal, but since the shot was errant, He interceded by helping Tipper make proper contact. God made what might not have happened happen. It's God who actually deserves the assist. By using our weakness and our strenghts, our hits and misses, God orchestrates all to His purpose (we know that He guides and is intimately acquainted with all our ways - Psalm 139). Somehow, somehow God works all things together for good for those who love Him and are called according to His purpose (Rom 8,28). Bathgate gets a thrill, Tipper gets a chill, and God gets the glory - and nobody feels like a puppet. God predordains the goal, but we take the shot. It's happens all through the scriptures. N'est pas? Colin |
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4 | God is not the author of evil. | Job | Hank | 99203 | ||
Colin - Andy Bathgate and Tipper Gore? :-) --Hank | ||||||
5 | God is not the author of evil. | Job | flinkywood | 99217 | ||
Hank, You remember Andy, the NY Ranger who invented the slapshot. Tipper, of course, you know. Colin |
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