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1 | Irreverence, not homosexuality? | Genesis | charis | 897 | ||
Don't shout, my friend, I can hear you just fine. Please back this up with scripture. Also, your rather coarse comments seem to be saying that all boys are 'almost homosexual.' Peace upon you in the Spirit of Christ. | ||||||
2 | Irreverence, not homosexuality? | Genesis | melchizedekau | 937 | ||
sorry had caps on and too lazy to delete and change. the scripture reference is we have a just and fair God who will cleanse us of all unrighteousness. i will answer this with a scripture. Prov 26:2 a curse causeless shall not come.why was he cursed? what did he do or not do or take his time doing?and why? what you ponder upon you shall become. | ||||||
3 | Irreverence not cause enough? | Genesis | charis | 947 | ||
Dear melchizedekau, Is not irreverence also a great offense in the Old Testament? A stubborn son is to be stoned to death according to Deuteronomy 21:18-21. There is just cause according to scripture. To assume homosexuality without some support is not very scholarly. With all respect in Christ Jesus. | ||||||
4 | Irreverence not cause enough? | Genesis | melchizedekau | 955 | ||
that is the question. why?prove to me through scripture why he was cursed.you must remember this is before the law was.it wasnt until Moses came then came the Law.may be he did show irreverence. but how did he?and would that bring a cursing on his Generations? | ||||||
5 | Irreverence not cause enough? | Genesis | charis | 963 | ||
O melchizedekau, you can have it your way! Though I am sure that severe punishment for irreverence predates the Law, I can see that you have made up your mind that Ham was homosexual. Enjoy your opinion. I will continue to say that I find no evidence to support your conjecture in the Bible. Bless you in Christ Jesus. | ||||||
6 | Irreverence not cause enough? | Genesis | melchizedekau | 1008 | ||
i never said that! all i said is that it implies that looking is.eccles 8:11. this judgement was acted upon speedily.what and where had Noah come from? do you see that he didnt want his sons to be like that. Yes it was very ireverent but see why it was and why Noah reacted the way he did. | ||||||
7 | I missed the boat. Please explain. | Genesis | KBurgee | 1028 | ||
OK I'm clueless. I am completely lost here. Does his looking imply homosexuality, or could it imply that Noah's son has a fascination with Noah's drunken and passed out state? | ||||||
8 | I missed the boat. Please explain. | Genesis | melchizedekau | 1035 | ||
i believe[ this is my opinion ]looking as the saying goes curiosity killed the cat. and even Jesus said If you even LOOK upon a woman to lust you have already sined. so looking and non action leads to sin.so Noah cursed his son,because it could lead to other things which they went through the flood for God to destroy. | ||||||
9 | I missed the boat. Please explain. | Genesis | mattone | 12563 | ||
Hey Guys, there are a few different scholarly views on the sin of Ham against his father Noah. And yes, there are scholars of excellent reputation who feel there was possibly some homosexual activity here because of the severity of the curse. For instance, in Deuteronomy 20:13-18, we get an idea of the degree of the curse's severity. In this passage we find a comparison of how Israel was to treat the nations of Canaan, versus those descended from Shem. Verse 16 shows us how Canaan was to be dealt with as a people, and I quote, "Only in the cities of these peoples that the Lord is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes". Without doubt this was a serious curse. But it would be stretching these passages beyond good exegesis to be dogmatic about this interpretation of Genesis 9:20ff. Simply put, Ham sinned against God and his father Noah, and for that, Ham's son Canaan and his descendants were cursed with great severity. Another idea that has probably not been considered, is the fact that it might not have been Ham's sin at that time, but Ham's sinfulness in general. Let me give you an example of what I mean, do you remember when Isaac asked Esau to make him a stew so he could bless him? The stew was not the cause of the blessing, it just provided the occasion for the blessing. Likewise, the same sort of situation may apply where Ham and his sin against his father is concerned. This particular sin may have just provided the occasion for Noah to curse Ham's son Canaan for Ham's sinfulness in general. But again, we cannot, and should not, be dogmatic on these points. In closing, I would suggest that there are such enormous truths surrounding these passages on the "table of nations" and how Israel's subsequent move towards the promised land would be effected by these verses in Genesis 9, that anymore than just a small amount of time spent on the exact nature of Ham's sin would be a great waste of time. Now Moses must have also seen it in a similar light or he would have explained further, but his presentation of these texts focuses on the above concerning the division of the nations, and their fate where Israel was concerned, etc... We must remember that Moses' original audience for these passages were the Israelites after the Exodus as they moved towards the land of Canaan. Ham's exact indiscretion was not important, but the curse, and the subsequent treatment of different peoples as Israel both approached and moved into Canaan would have been of enormous value to this original audience of Moses' writings. Therefore, this is probably where we should concentrate our study efforts. If you agree, throw some questions and let's study God's Word. In Christ our King, --JCP. |
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