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1 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46830 | ||
Oh, dear, Tim, I cannot believe you are so mistaken about "Q". I would love to answer your questions, however I have been warned that this forum is NOT for discussion. Like I told him, I guess blind faith in the bible must be nice. Afterall, ignorance can be bliss. You have to admit ONE thing: I sure got a few brains thinking!!! I mean, look at the length of that string!!! I haven't even responded to half of them. I think I did everybody as service! They were forced to open their bibles to reinforce the all the dogma thrust at them since childhood. Wanna read somethng interesting? Go to www.uucw.org. Please check out what our youth are taught in religious education classes ("Sunday school," to you.) There is a picture somewhere on the site that shows a small boy saying: "God loves me and so does Jesus, Great Spirt, and Krishna." I like that. |
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2 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46828 | ||
OK. You all can live with your mythological belefs. Please tell others to stop emailing me with THEIR attact on MY sources, which admittedly are based on archaeology and science, something blind bible followers refuse to even look at. Discussion and comparisons are a waste of my time with people who are so adamantly set in their ways. I suppose ignorance can be bliss.... | ||||||
3 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46825 | ||
What did you mean? I've been extremely busy lately and find I spend literally hours on the computer answering these questions. I don't remember what you wanted to know. The turn the other cheek thing? or was that someone else? | ||||||
4 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46824 | ||
What did you mean? I've been extremely busy lately and find I spend literally hours on the computer answering these questions. I don't remember what you wanted to know. The turn the other cheek thing? or was that someone else? | ||||||
5 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46648 | ||
OK. Here's what I was going to say earlier to Steve. I listened to Dr. Ehrman lecture for an entire week at a seminar sponsered by the Biblical Archaeology Society, of which I am a member. Here are some quotes from his lectures: "No original texts (in Aramaic or Hebrew) exist, or at least have not been found yet." "At present, there are about 5,400 fragments, pages, parts of books in Greek scattered through the world in archives, libraries, museums, etc. That's it. And NONE of them are the same. As scribes copied them, mistakes were made and words changed. And mistakes mulitply." During the 1700's, a man by the name of John Hill found 30,000 differences in writings, based on 100 then known manuscripts. As more pieces have been discovered (5,400), hundreds of thousands of variants have been found---more than all the words in the New Testament! Yes, "Q" is theoretical, however the people who write for the Biblical Archaeology Review, or give TV interviews for Discovery, TLC, History, etc. channels (all of which are secular), persistantly refer to this possible list of sayings by Jesus. 'Course, if you want "sayings", I suppose you could just read the Gospel of Thomas---but I imagine that you are in disagreement with that document also. As a really good example of how words were added, just check your bibles for the last 12 verses of Mark (which was the first book to be written down). If your bible is "up front", it will be noted in the footnotes that all of these 12 verses were added much later. In other words, they were NOT part of the original text. Going to eat supper---I'm sure more discussion will follow..............Nancy |
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6 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46605 | ||
I will quote Ehrman to you when I get time. I did it already once, but the entire thing got lost in cyberspace when I tried to preview it. Nuts! In the meantime, if you already don't know about "Q", I suggest you find out about it. "Q", I believe, has some accuracy to it. | ||||||
7 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46602 | ||
I will quote Ehrman to you when I get time. I did it already once, but the entire thing got lost in cyberspace when I tried to preview it. Nuts! | ||||||
8 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46584 | ||
Blessings to you, too, Markarios. I know you meant well, however, I do not believe that the bible is the word of god. After much reading and then sitting through a week of lectures by a highly respected translator of ancient texts (Bart Ehrman, Prof. at Chappel Hill), I am now convinced that SO MANY EXTRA things have been added or CHANGED over the centuries, that what we now call the "bible" was really authored by men who were trying to justify the execution of their leader, and keep a movement going. There are countless cases where wording has been changed, verses added, and original meanings lost because we live in a different time period. So I think all those things you quoted, may sound like direct answers to you, but I view them as open to interpretation. Jesus said many profound and wise things. People still find comfort in them. That is good. But so did Buddha and Mohammed. Christians do not believe THEY TOO were sons of God, and neither do I. Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed and many others over the ages were excellent and profound teachers, mentors, and philosophers. All could be called "prophets", I suppose. But God him/her/it-self? I don't think so. All depends on how you look at those verses....Nancy |
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9 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46582 | ||
Well, Steve, that's where we part company (if there was any in the first place). I do not believe in the divinity of Jesus. I think he was a brilliant, charasmatic young man who said many profound philosophical and moral things that people needed at that time, and still find comfort in today. How do you know Jesus wasn't just "pointing to himself" because he was trying to convince people to follow HIM and NOT the temple PRIESTS, who rejected all but the very "pure." After extensive reading, I have come to the conclusion that Jesus was quite the dissident, who strirred up controversy and trouble deliberately to get the attention of not only the common person, but also the priestly class (who ran everything for the Jews). You know that thing about turning the other cheek??? Well, historically, there is a WHOLE different and DEFIANT way to view that statement! Jesus wasn't advocating passivity, he was giving people a way to outsmart the person that did the initial striking. I'll give you the whole historical context in another writing, if you are interested. | ||||||
10 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46131 | ||
Here's one for you. I listened to this guy for a week at a seminar given by the Biblical Archaeology Society, of which i am a member. "The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture" by Bart Ehrman to order call 1 888 932 7123 He is one of the few expert translators of ancient texts left in this country. "A dying breed," as he referred to himself. I asked him how many languages he can read. He said, "Well, German and French, of course. Then there's Latin, Greek, Hebrew, ancient Syriac, Aramaic..." The list continued, but I don't remember the rest. I also consider Karen Armstrong an expert (as do many). One of her many books, "A History of God" was on the NY Times best seller list for months. It is very scholarly, but extremely enlightening. You might want to pick up a copy if you haven't already read it. I plan on checking out the Amplified Bible a little. But I don't think I will be on the forum anymore. I seem to annoy people with my beliefs. It was a mistake for me to ask the original question. ALL of the scholars I have referred to or read a book by, say "No where in the bible does Jesus say he is God." I just wanted to see if it was possible they were wrong or being too "picky" about wording. But I think they are right. No one in this forum answered the question with anything more than a phrase, word, passage, or verse that is completely possible to interpret in any why one chooses. I lost. I never got a DIRECT answer, despite what all of you well intentioned Christians wrote or quoted. I wonder what Ehrman thinks of the Amplified Bible? Maybe I'll email him..............over and out........nancy |
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11 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46126 | ||
Dear Tim, I wouldn't mind discussing this stuff either with you, however, I have never been able to make a dent in any Christian's thinking---AND they have yet to make a dent in MINE! We're all stuborn in our beliefs or lack of them. To me, that's what makes humanity interesting: diversity. Here's a good book to read: "A History of God," by Karen Armstrong who is a professor of theology somewhere (can't remember). The author contrasts and compares the development and theologies of the three great monotheistic religions. In the book, she writes extensively on the earlier and more mystical sects of each religion. In EACH one, she has extensively referenced ancient writings, "secret" texts, etc., that all say the same thing (this goes for Christianity as well): God is unknowable. The "thinkers" and philosophers of EACH religion agree on that! Please don't ask me to quote her directly because the book is upstairs and I don't feel like getting it. It was on the NY Times best seller list for months. Why don't you pick up a copy? It is very scholarly and is used as a text book at various universities. I and most other "students" consider Armstrong an expert. She has written several books. She makes logical sense without disrespecting current religious beliefs. I'm not going to add anything anymore to this forum because it goes no where. However, I must admit, I WOULD be intested in continuing a dialog with you. I'd leave my email address, but I'm afraid I'd be flooded with mail from people trying to save my soul. It was a mistake for me to ask the original question. I was sincerely wondering why I continue to hear from lay people that "Jesus said he was God," when objective, non-denominational scholars say: "No where in the bible does Jesus say he is God." I've heard that MANNNNNNNNNNNNY times from MANY scholars, theologians, translators of ancient texts, and others. I'll end now so as not to go over my character limit. It's a real pain to have to rewrite everything!.........take care.........nancy |
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12 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46054 | ||
Well, this is my second attempt to respond. The first got lost in cyber space. First off, I do not believe the bible is the word of god. Period. Nor do I believe that the Egyptian Book of the Dead is necessary for life after death. Although the bible contains many words of wisdom, as do all ancient sacred texts, I believe most of it is metaphore and mythology. See, I call myself an agnostic, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS AFTER DEATH. NO ONE EVER COMES BACK TO TELL ME ABOUT IT!!! Secondly, I don't believe in an old man sitting on a throng (thrown?). If someone else were to ask me that question, I guess I would answer by saying, "I've lived life to the fullest. I've been of service to, loved, and been compassionate to my fellow human beings and all other living creatures I have had contact with. (This is true!!!) And I just don't believe a loving, creative energy that flows through all living things would send us somewhere to suffer for eternity---IF there is an eternity for us. Maybe, just MAYBE, when our bodies die, the lights go out and that's it! Over. Done. Non-existance. Hmmmmmmm........perhaps THAT is why no one comes back to tell the rest of us about what happens. Just a thought........nancy |
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13 | from whence "holy moley"? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46046 | ||
Like I said. It rhymes and is a great way to avoid saying something like, "Holy s---!" | ||||||
14 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46043 | ||
Joe, I'll send you an email from hell to tell you ALL about it. |
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15 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46042 | ||
Joe, Two things: First, Romans 3:10-19 is scary enough to make me consider Buddhism. Yipes! I suppose that's what "god-fearing" means? I never really did understand that concept. If there is a God and IF it is loving as Jesus taught, then.....oh, nevermind. No point to keep this going. However, secondly: I take care of and show compassion for the sick and others because I think it is the right thing to do! To help my fellow human beings. Not in anyone's glory! I don't understand that at all. Is a widget maker making widgets for the "glory of God?" Or his the widget maker trying to make money? |
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16 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46041 | ||
Tim: Your quote: "You describe a god who would not send anyone to hell. You describe a god who does not discriminate against other religions. Yet, you deny that God is knowable! Apparently, you do believe that it is possible to know something about God." My response: Touche!!! You got me on that one! :-) I guess I'll have to work on my vocabulary. |
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17 | from whence "holy moley"? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46018 | ||
It rhymes. | ||||||
18 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46017 | ||
No comment. I am amazed by your response. A-b-s-l-u-t-e-l-y amazed. I would be interested your definition or description of an "amplified bible," however. Who wrote this one? | ||||||
19 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46016 | ||
First, we have different dictionaries. Second, just because it "says" something in an ancient text doesn't mean it's true. There are ancient texts that say Hercules was also the son of a god. What makes that different from the bible? | ||||||
20 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46015 | ||
Pardon me. I was mislead by my son who told me about this site. I guess he and I are both headed for hell for our grave error. | ||||||
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