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1 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Not Specified | IneffableUniverse | 45887 | ||
I keep being told that Jesus says directly that He is God. However, I cannot seem to find any verse that states it that emphatically. All I find are vague passages that could be possibly interpretted as Jesus saying so, but not that actual statement. Jesus seems to let listeners/readers THINK what they want rather than answer the question directly. Where can I find this famous verse??? |
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2 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 45888 | ||
I keep being told that Jesus says directly that He is God. However, I cannot seem to find any verse that states it that emphatically. All I find are vague passages that could be possibly interpretted as Jesus saying so, but not that actual statement. Jesus seems to let listeners/readers THINK what they want rather than answer the question directly. Where can I find this famous verse??? |
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3 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 45891 | ||
Dear CDBJ, Please look up the word "ineffable" unless you already know what it means. THAT is what I believe. I am not trying to stir up trouble, just find the verse that people are referring to when they say, "Jesus said He was God in the Bible." | ||||||
4 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 45910 | ||
Dear friends, Thank you for your response, however I still find all those verses VERY open to interpretation. Hank, YES, I would argue that "word" does not necessarily mean "Jesus". Perhaps "truth?" Which COULD mean anything. After all, do YOU claim to know the "truth?" John was the last gospel written down and considered the most "mystical." Therefore, anything in it could mean ANYTHING depending on the reader. Also, when Jesus uses the word "Son", is it possible that He meant "son" (lower case S) to indicate that we are ALL sons and daughters of God? All these different versions of the bible testify to various groups who perfer THEIR PERSONAL interpretation. I am just trying to find where everyone says that Jesus SPECIFICALLY said, "I am God." | ||||||
5 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 45915 | ||
THAT, Hank, is exactly my point. "Choice" to believe what we want or interpret what we want and how we want are all part of the COMPLETE free will God has given us. The bible has many beautiful and wise statements through out it. But it has also been copied and copied and recopied complete with mistakes by scribes, or additions inserted so that the gospels would be more in agreement with each other. | ||||||
6 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 45923 | ||
Steve, no offense intended, really, but if YOU know the "truth" because you are a devout Christian, what exactly are all the other non-Christian religions teaching THEIR followers? I mean, the guys who collapsed the Twin Towers truly believed THEY knew the truth too! As you know, in some parts of the world, they were looked upon as heros, FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS OF THE QURAN AND MOHAMMED. They thought what they did was "right." Remember Waco? Koresh thought HE knew the truth and all it did was end in the deaths of many innocents. The early Gnostic Christians thought that KNOWLEDGE would bring them to the "truth." They, however, were erradicated by the founding fathers of the current Christian doctrine. So, how again is it that YOU know the "truth?" If you do, then you must be God too, because nobody I know would dare be so ostentatious as to presume to know what TRUTH is. They are practicing piety and humility, just as Jesus taught. | ||||||
7 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 45946 | ||
Dear CDBJ: No problem with my conscience, it's just that I seem to get attacked in chat rooms when I ask that question. So I guess I'm a little on the defensive. The word "ineffable" means "unknowable". I believe God cannot be comprehended or "known" or truly understood by any human being. Even to use the word "God" connotes an understanding, which I feel is an impossibility for our puny brains. The reason I use it, is for simplicity. Usually I say, "the god concept." But that's another topic. |
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8 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 45952 | ||
Dear Hank, I should have known you were an English major. They are the only people who say, "indeed I do." I wrote to DCBJ with my answer to your question. It's posted directly above your last entry which I am responding to NOW. |
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9 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 45954 | ||
YIPES!!! I didn't expect my question to open up a can of worms!!! It certainly lent itself to discussion!!!!....nancy | ||||||
10 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 45955 | ||
JME: in these final part of the days. What is that supposed to mean, JME? The great Apocalypse is due any minute? People have been saying that for 2000 years and more! |
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11 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 45970 | ||
Dear John, Thank you for your input, however, I believe in a loving God. I don't quite understand why this loving God would single me out for his "wrath." The God of the Old Testament was continually destroying what He had created, and then making new "covenants" with his one or two followers left only to destroy them again if they even slightly fell from "the path." A sacred text that said god would do it again, would certainly be a useful tool for the political leaders of the day, wouldn't you say? TALK ABOUT A WAY TO KEEP ORDER!!! Jesus was an apocalyptisist, who, sincerely believing in the scriptures of his time, continued on to warn people of the end of the world, or at the least, the destruction of Jerusalem. Well, neither has happened, unless, of course you count the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 66 C.E. But it was rebuilt and has continued, as has the world for another 2000 years. I don't think God's wrath is the cause of destruction and catastrophe. PEOPLE, with free will (given by a loving god), make CHOICES to destroy and become "evil-doers." And natural disasters happen because our world is bound by the laws of physics. When a mountain top is too heavy, the top slides down and buries a town. Now, would a loving God be responsible for THAT? Therefore, I don't think it is necessary to "flee to Jesus." I believe that Jesus was a brilliant, young, charismatic man said some excellent things that people needed to hear in his time and continue to be comforted by 2000 years later. He may have "promised that whosoever comes to Him, He will not cast out." But, did Jesus really cast out ANYBODY??? He welcomed the social outcasts and physically challenged people who, considered to be "unclean", were not welcome by the temple priesthood. See, I look at all those bible passages a little differently. I see salvation with or without the teachings of Jesus. Do you think God would destroy the Eastern Hemisphere because it is composed mainly of non-Christians? That sounds pretty radical to me. IF there is a God and assuming it is loving, creative and forgiving, then I really doubt half the world's population will would be at risk for "it's" wrath. In love and compassion, Nancy |
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12 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 45971 | ||
Dear JME, These things you quote were written in a time when people truly believed that the entire world consisted of the lands surrounding the Mediterranean Sea. Since earthquakes were common and warring groups were a constant threat, NATUALLY they thought the "end was near." But don't we know better now? We KNOW why earthquakes happen. We KNOW that lunatics like Saddam H. are out there plotting destruction. GOD isn't doing these things any more than the "fire god of the mountain" demands virgin sacrifices to stop the lava flow. I am amazed at how Eastern religions lack this apocalyptic view. The Hindus I know are so at peace with themselves and others, as are Buddhists and Taoists. It is mainly Judeo-Christian dogma that makes people fear the future. Jesus said many wonderful, wise things, but I find many Christians taking them out of context and using them as scare tactics. Jesus used the word "love" repeatedly. NOW WHAT PAUL WAS RUNNING AROUND SAYING IS SOMETHING ELSE!!! But he he had a political agenda and a movement to promote! After all, what do you say to keep your interests going, when your leader has been executed by the ruling authority of the time, the Romans. |
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13 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 45972 | ||
Dear Tim, I gotta give ya credit for using your last name! But, you see, I do not take the bible literally, as if you didn't already know. I think the bible has a little history, a lot of wisdom, but plenty of metaphores and politically correct entries worded so as not to offend the Romans or any other group in authority AT THAT TIME. See, I read all the things you quoted and haven't found one that is not debatable or open to interpretation. I originally asked the question about where exactly in the bible it says Jesus said he was God, because from time to time I go into chat rooms and am practically "crucified" for asking questions or challenging irrational beliefs. Again and again, other chat room participants say "Jesus said he is God." But then I read something written by a well respected scholar and translator of ancient texts, who says, "No where in the bible does Jesus say he is God." So who's telling the truth? Personally, I prefer hard evidence to emotional ranting. The idea that the Jews in fact actually understood him to be God because he was making blasphemous statements claiming to be the Son of or God himself seems ludicrous to me. The temple priests NATURALLY would call anything he said blasphemous because they didn't want to lose their power and status as leaders in the community, especially to the lowly son of a carpenter, who repeatedly defied their authority! I mean, eating with sinners! Casting out demons! Breaking the Kosher laws! AND then to have a large FOLLOWING??? GASP!!!! "Get rid of this guy!!!" I'll bet the priests were MORE than happy they turned him over to the Romans! Much less likely that the Romans would kill EVERYONE (which they were in the habit of doing)because they were supsicious of insurrection, than just to have one man blamed for any rebelious outbreaks, and send him to the "gallows." That way, the priests got rid of his "bad" influence on the common folk, and the Romans executed a political agitator, all in one fell swoop. Everybody was happy......nancy |
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14 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 45973 | ||
Dear Tim, I gotta give ya credit for using your last name! But, you see, I do not take the bible literally, as if you didn't already know. I think the bible has a little history, a lot of wisdom, but plenty of metaphores and politically correct entries worded so as not to offend the Romans or any other group in authority AT THAT TIME. See, I read all the things you quoted and haven't found one that is not debatable or open to interpretation. I originally asked the question about where exactly in the bible it says Jesus said he was God, because from time to time I go into chat rooms and am practically "crucified" for asking questions or challenging irrational beliefs. Again and again, other chat room participants say "Jesus said he is God." But then I read something written by a well respected scholar and translator of ancient texts, who says, "No where in the bible does Jesus say he is God." So who's telling the truth? Personally, I prefer hard evidence to emotional ranting. The idea that the Jews in fact actually understood him to be God because he was making blasphemous statements claiming to be the Son of or God himself seems ludicrous to me. The temple priests NATURALLY would call anything he said blasphemous because they didn't want to lose their power and status as leaders in the community, especially to the lowly son of a carpenter, who repeatedly defied their authority! I mean, eating with sinners! Casting out demons! Breaking the Kosher laws! AND then to have a large FOLLOWING??? GASP!!!! "Get rid of this guy!!!" I'll bet the priests were MORE than happy they turned him over to the Romans! Much less likely that the Romans would kill EVERYONE (which they were in the habit of doing)because they were supsicious of insurrection, than just to have one man blamed for any rebelious outbreaks, and send him to the "gallows." That way, the priests got rid of his "bad" influence on the common folk, and the Romans executed a political agitator, all in one fell swoop. Everybody was happy......nancy |
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15 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 45974 | ||
Hank, I guess I goofed. I thought this forum was for logical discussion. Instead, I find people just reinforcing over and over their irrational and illogical beliefs. Perhaps you are all a bit insecure, so you need to do that sort of thing, convince each other that you're "right." I thank you for your invitation to "stick around", but I find it really not worth my time as it is obvious I do not share all of your convictions and cannot even ATTEMPT to make a dent in any of them with logic or reason. I have to keep reminding myself that "faith" is an emotional thing, that human kind has ALWAYS tried to explain the unexplainable by resorting to supreme beings, and that once convinced, their minds become closed to other options. I guess I'm in the wrong place. My mind is open to anything, but please don't INSIST that YOU(Christians) have the monopoly on truth. There are many truths, depending on the culture into which you were born.........nancy |
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16 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46013 | ||
Well, Hank, I'm 53 years old and very happy to be a Unitarian Universalist. I'm sure you will find some meaning to the fact that you have been practicing Christianity for 53 years too. Actually, I wrote an apparently "too long" essay once already, but was told to shorten it by 385 characters. Now, I see it is completely gone, and I don't want to have to write it over and can't possibly edit it if I can't see it. The gist of what I was trying to tell you is that I believe in universal salvation. I do NOT believe a loving, creative, god-like entity would discriminate against allllllllllll the other religions in the world and send all of their practioners to hell. To me, hell is right here on Earth. How can anything be worse than war, famine, disease, etc.? We Americans live in a privileged society with most of the creature comforts taken care of so that we have the free time to think about and debate these issues. I have tolerance for YOUR beliefs. I wish you had tolerance for mine. Stop tellin me I'm going to hell! Stop coming to my front door. Stop shoving literature in my face, and STOP using MY tax dollars to fund YOUR schools! Christianity is the only religion I can think of that thinks it is superior to all others, and persists in trying to convert those of us who are "less enlightened." I'M HAPPY! I HAVE "LOVE AND JOY" IN MY LIFE! And I have it WITHOUT believing in the divinity of Jesus, or the "absolute" truth in every word of a document written thousands of years ago in a different time, under far different conditions. I'm going to stop now because I know my beliefs won't make a dent in yours. You'll no doubt respond by saying that I don't REALLY know what happiness is, yadda, yadda, yadda. If THAT is possible, then it's possible YOU don't either. ....sincerely in love and compassion....nancy | ||||||
17 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46014 | ||
John, would you be so kind as to tell me what terrible sins I have committed??? I am a registered nurse. I have administered to the sick and dying. I have shown great compassion for those in pain, physical and/or mental. I have not murdered anyone or broken any of man's laws (with the exception of a speeding ticket 12 years ago.), and I don't think I have broken any of God's laws. But I do not PRESUME to know what those are! The bible was written thousands of years ago in a different time and under far different circumstances. I find it contains much wisdom, a little history, and LOTS of mythology. I do NOT think a loving, compassionate, creative god-like entity would cast those of us who are also loving and compassionate but who may have chosen a differnt path, other than Christianity, into a hellish existence for eternity. Hell is right here on earth. I see it in the suffering, the wars, the famines, and all the other disasters that mankind either brought about upon himself, or was subjected to by "Mother Nature" and the laws of physics. I am a Unitaritan Universalist. I'm happy, have compassion for my fellow human beings and try to live a moral life. Why would god condemn me just because I don't believe in the divinity of Jesus, the man? IF God exists, I believe he/she/it accepts us ALL!........nancy | ||||||
18 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46015 | ||
Pardon me. I was mislead by my son who told me about this site. I guess he and I are both headed for hell for our grave error. | ||||||
19 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46016 | ||
First, we have different dictionaries. Second, just because it "says" something in an ancient text doesn't mean it's true. There are ancient texts that say Hercules was also the son of a god. What makes that different from the bible? | ||||||
20 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46017 | ||
No comment. I am amazed by your response. A-b-s-l-u-t-e-l-y amazed. I would be interested your definition or description of an "amplified bible," however. Who wrote this one? | ||||||
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