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1 | does this mean a person is unforgiven | NT general | King T | 222645 | ||
Doc, Doc, Doc! Once again I find myself caught between your article (post) and the dictionary, but I will manage. Romans 6:23 - aren't we reading that in isolation? It doesn't say we we earned death. Let us may be take it from verse 22. Ephesians 2:8-10; Romans 4:4-5; Romans 11:6 I don't see where you and I are disagreeing. "The price of redemption was not paid to the world" - true it was paid FOR the world. Romans 10:13 I just revisited the verse and my post where I referred to the verse, I just can't understand where you derive your expression of condition from. The Heidelberg Catechism, questions 62 through 64 - I never said we earned righteousness, but thank you for referring me here. If I wrote something to make you believe otherwise, it could be my English, but I am getting better with every visit to the dictionary. French Confession Article 22 - Good Lord! Doc, where is this works issue emanating from? The Bible is very clear on the subject. Paul did not mince his words on the subject, Ephesians 2:8-10 that you referred to earlier obliterates the believe on works. Belgic Confession Article 24 "So we would always be in doubt, tossed back and forth without any certainty, and our poor consciences would be tormented constantly if they did not rest on the merit of the suffering and death of our Savior." Now I see where you get this merit issue from. I never wrote anything to claim we worked for our salvation though. I think the response from Beja explained your earlier comment in much simpler terms. All these, the Savoy Declaration of Faith, chapter 16; Second Helvetic Confession, chapter 16, paragraph 4; the Thirty-Nine Articles, article 12; the Waldensian Confession, Articles 20 to 23; and the Westminster Confession of Faith Chapter 16 are good readings. These are just man made doctrines. Personally I prefer the Bible which I trust these doctrines were derived from. As for heresy dude, I am reading that article by Richard Alderson. Unfortunately I can't post my comments on the same page. Martin Luther, whom Richard Alderson derived his anti law term from, was accused to be heretic by those who did not understand him. By the way, Jesus Christ himself was accused by those who did not understand him. However, my prayer is for us to continue studying the Word of God "Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:" - Ephesians 4:13. Waiting for more from you: Proverb 27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend. You are my friend aren't you? Stay Blessed, King T! |
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2 | does this mean a person is unforgiven | NT general | DocTrinsograce | 222656 | ||
Dear King T, I have dealt with the question of the Law by citing the explicit teaching of Christ. You wrote, "These are just man made doctrines." These documents are man made, but the doctrines are not. We are a forum based on sola Scriptura. The documents I cited all derive their authority entirely from Scripture; for that is our sole source for doctrine. Perhaps the word needs some definition: Systematic theology concerns itself with all of the topics addressed by the Bible. Doctrine is all that the Bible teaches on a particular topic. Confessions and creeds are simply a means by which essential doctrines can be listed in order to communicate to outsiders what we believe, and to provide the basis upon which a congregation is united in faith. Each of the confessions I cited assert the following in more or less the same way: "The whole counsel of God concerning all things necessary for his own glory, man's salvation, faith and life, is either expressly set down in Scripture, or by good and necessary consequence may be deduced from Scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelations of the Spirit, or traditions of men (2 Tim. 3:16-17; Gal. 1:8-9; 2 Thess. 2:2). Nevertheless, we acknowledge the inward illumination of the Spirit of God to be necessary for the saving understanding of such things as are revealed in the Word (John 6:45; 1 Cor. 2:12, 14-15; Eph. 1:18; 2 Cor. 4:6): and that there are some circumstances concerning the worship of God, and government of the church, common to human actions and societies, which are to be ordered by the light of nature, and Christian prudence, according to the general rules of the Word, which are always to be observed (1 Cor. 11:13-14; 14:26, 40). "The supreme judge by which all controversies of religion are to be determined, and all decrees of councils, opinions of ancient writers, doctrines of men, and private spirits, are to be examined, and in whose sentence we are to rest, can be no other but the Holy Spirit speaking in the Scripture (Matt. 22:29,31; Acts 28:25; 1 John 4:1-6)." --Westminster Confession of Faith chapter 1, paragraphs 6 and 10 See how the old divines included themselves in being under the authority of Scripture alone. Consequently, when I cite these creeds and confessions, I demonstrating that these doctrines are commonly held by the church. The carefully chosen words of pastors, teachers, and scholars of the past have been proven by the church over time. They are continually and studiously judged against Scripture itself by every generation. In Him, Doc |
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3 | does this mean a person is unforgiven | NT general | King T | 222666 | ||
My Dearly Beloved Doc, I still maintain that these decrees are based on man's interpretation of the Word of God. They may be old and are a commonly held by the Church, but still they were derived by man from the Bible based on man's understanding of the Scripture. When I first read your response (at a glance that is), I almost chose to let this issue to just “die”. I thought we weren't going anywhere with this discussion. I also thought I needed to seek for more revelation and direction on how best to express myself on the subject, but on second thought, I think it is not a question of my expressing myself. I think this is just a wonderful discussion worth exploring further. Also, your current response does not show anything to make me think you misunderstood me. If I may say it myself, I must be doing fairly well expressing myself. Back to the subject, it is however good that the law was written, according to Romans 15:4 (KJV) "For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope." Reading another book in alongside what Paul just said to the Romans, "But certain individuals have missed the mark on this very matter [and] have wandered away into vain arguments and discussions and purposeless talk. They are ambitious to be doctors of the Law (teachers of the Mosaic ritual), but they have no understanding either of the words and terms they use or of the subjects about which they make [such] dogmatic assertions. Now we recognize and know that the Law is good if anyone uses it lawfully [for the purpose for which it was designed], Knowing and understanding this: that the Law is not enacted for the righteous (the upright and just, who are in right standing with God), but for the lawless and unruly, for the ungodly and sinful, for the irreverent and profane, for those who strike and beat and [even] murder fathers and strike and beat and [even] murder mothers, for manslayers,[For] impure and immoral persons, those who abuse themselves with men, kidnapers, liars, perjurers - and whatever else is opposed to wholesome teaching and sound doctrine as laid down by the glorious Gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted." 1Timothy 1:6-11 (AMP). In 2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV) "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." Going by what Paul said both in 1Timothy 1:6-11 and 2 Corinthians 5:17, the Christian is not under the law. The law was never intended for the new man in Christ and I still maintain that. Westminster Confession of Faith Chapter 1, Paragraphs 6 and 10: I more than agree with the West Ministers that we need the Holy Spirit in our understanding of the Bible; you can call me one of the West Ministers in that regard. I still prefer to go by the Bible though and I still maintain that these are good scholarly man made "documents". My dictionary defines a doctrine as a set of beliefs or principles held and taught by a Church, political party, or other group. I wonder why you don't want me to refer to these man made “documents” as man made doctrines. They may be derived from the Bible, but they are still derived based on man’s own understanding and interpretation of the Bible. From where I stand, they are man made doctrines. Kindly shed in more light why they are not man made doctrines. Thank you for being such an excellent teacher, unfortunately I have to disagree with you on the law. Stay so blessed, King T! |
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4 | does this mean a person is unforgiven | NT general | King T | 222672 | ||
P.S. Galatians 3:24-25 (NIV) "So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law." Galatians 3:24-25 (NLT) "Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian until Christ came; it protected us until we could be made right with God through faith. And now that the way of faith has come, we no longer need the law as our guardian." Thank God for the NIV and NLT Bibles. King T! |
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